linux-kernel - Re: [RFC v2 PATCH 0/4] speed up page allocation for __GFP

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Message-ID: <55052a91-64f9-b343-a1c4-f059ca50ecf3@redhat.com>
Date:   Wed, 23 Dec 2020 09:41:00 +0100
From:   David Hildenbrand <david@...hat.com>
To:     Liang Li <liliang324@...il.com>
Cc:     Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@...ux.intel.com>,
        Mel Gorman <mgorman@...hsingularity.net>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@...hat.com>,
        Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@...el.com>,
        "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>,
        Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com>,
        Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...el.com>,
        Michal Hocko <mhocko@...e.com>,
        Liang Li <liliangleo@...iglobal.com>, linux-mm@...ck.org,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        virtualization@...ts.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [RFC v2 PATCH 0/4] speed up page allocation for __GFP_ZERO

[...]

>> I was rather saying that for security it's of little use IMHO.
>> Application/VM start up time might be improved by using huge pages (and
>> pre-zeroing these). Free page reporting might be improved by using
>> MADV_FREE instead of MADV_DONTNEED in the hypervisor.
>>
>>> this feature, above all of them, which one is likely to become the
>>> most strong one?  From the implementation, you will find it is
>>> configurable, users don't want to use it can turn it off.  This is not
>>> an option?
>>
>> Well, we have to maintain the feature and sacrifice a page flag. For
>> example, do we expect someone explicitly enabling the feature just to
>> speed up startup time of an app that consumes a lot of memory? I highly
>> doubt it.
> 
> In our production environment, there are three main applications have such
> requirement, one is QEMU [creating a VM with SR-IOV passthrough device],
> anther other two are DPDK related applications, DPDK OVS and SPDK vhost,
> for best performance, they populate memory when starting up. For SPDK vhost,
> we make use of the VHOST_USER_GET/SET_INFLIGHT_FD feature for
> vhost 'live' upgrade, which is done by killing the old process and
> starting a new
> one with the new binary. In this case, we want the new process started as quick
> as possible to shorten the service downtime. We really enable this feature
> to speed up startup time for them  :)

Thanks for info on the use case!

All of these use cases either already use, or could use, huge pages
IMHO. It's not your ordinary proprietary gaming app :) This is where
pre-zeroing of huge pages could already help.

Just wondering, wouldn't it be possible to use tmpfs/hugetlbfs ...
creating a file and pre-zeroing it from another process, or am I missing
something important? At least for QEMU this should work AFAIK, where you
can just pass the file to be use using memory-backend-file.

> 
>> I'd love to hear opinions of other people. (a lot of people are offline
>> until beginning of January, including, well, actually me :) )
> 
> OK. I will wait some time for others' feedback. Happy holidays!

To you too, cheers!


-- 
Thanks,

David / dhildenb