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Date:   Mon, 4 Jan 2021 10:53:14 +0800
From:   Feng Tang <>
To:     Roman Gushchin <>
Cc:     Andrew Morton <>,
        Michal Hocko <>,
        Johannes Weiner <>,
        Vladimir Davydov <>,,,,,,,
        Shakeel Butt <>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] mm: memcg: add a new MEMCG_UPDATE_BATCH

Hi Roman,

On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 09:13:27AM -0800, Roman Gushchin wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 10:35:14PM +0800, Feng Tang wrote:
> > When profiling memory cgroup involved benchmarking, status update
> > sometimes take quite some CPU cycles. Current MEMCG_CHARGE_BATCH
> > is used for both charging and statistics/events updating, and is
> > set to 32, which may be good for accuracy of memcg charging, but
> > too small for stats update which causes concurrent access to global
> > stats data instead of per-cpu ones.
> > 
> > So handle them differently, by adding a new bigger batch number
> > for stats updating, while keeping the value for charging (though
> > comments in memcontrol.h suggests to consider a bigger value too)
> > 
> > The new batch is set to 512, which considers 2MB huge pages (512
> > pages), as the check logic mostly is:
> > 
> >     if (x > BATCH), then skip updating global data
> > 
> > so it will save 50% global data updating for 2MB pages
> > 
> > Following are some performance data with the patch, against
> > v5.11-rc1, on several generations of Xeon platforms. Each category
> > below has several subcases run on different platform, and only the
> > worst and best scores are listed:
> > 
> > fio:				 +2.0% ~  +6.8%
> > will-it-scale/malloc:		 -0.9% ~  +6.2%
> > will-it-scale/page_fault1:	 no change
> > will-it-scale/page_fault2:	+13.7% ~ +26.2%
> I wonder if there are any wins noticeable in the real world?
> Lowering the accuracy of statistics makes harder to interpret it,
> so it should be very well justified.

This is a valid concern. I only had test results for fio, 
will-it-scale and vm-scalability (mostly impovements) so far, 
and I will try to run on some Redis/RockDB like workload. I have
seen hotspots related with memcg statistics counting in some
customers' report, which is part of the motivation of the patch. 

> 512 * nr_cpus is a large number.

I also tested 128, 256, 2048, 4096, which all show similar gains
with the benchmarks above, and 512 is chosed for 2MB pages. 128
could be less harmful for accuracy.

> > 
> > One thought is it could be dynamically calculated according to
> > memcg limit and number of CPUs, and another is to add a periodic
> > syncing of the data for accuracy reason similar to vmstat, as
> > suggested by Ying.
> It sounds good to me, but it's quite tricky to implement properly,
> given that thee number of cgroups can be really big. It makes the
> traversing of the whole cgroup tree and syncing stats quite expensive,
> so it will not be easy to find a good balance.

Agreed. Also could you shed some light about how these statistics
data are used, so that we can better understand the usage.

Thanks again for the valuable feedback! 

- Feng

> Thanks!

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