Date:   Tue, 5 Jan 2021 11:38:57 +0000
From:   Qais Yousef <qais.yousef@....com>
To:     Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com>
Cc:     bpf <bpf@...r.kernel.org>, Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>,
        Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@...nel.org>,
        Phil Auld <pauld@...hat.com>,
        "Peter Zijlstra (Intel)" <peterz@...radead.org>,
        Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@....com>,
        vincent.donnefort@....com, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>,
        vincent.guittot@...aro.org, LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Valentin Schneider <valentin.schneider@....com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] sched/debug: Add new tracepoint to track cpu_capacity

On 01/04/21 10:59, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> > > > I did have a patch that allowed that. It might be worth trying to upstream it.
> > > > It just required a new macro which could be problematic.
> > > >
> > > > https://github.com/qais-yousef/linux/commit/fb9fea29edb8af327e6b2bf3bc41469a8e66df8b
> > > >
> > > > With the above I could attach using bpf::RAW_TRACEPOINT mechanism.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yeah, that could work. I meant there was no way to do it with what was there :)
> > >
> > > In our initial attempts at using BPF to get at nr_running (which I was not
> > > involved in and don't have all the details...) there were issues being able to
> > > keep up and losing events.  That may have been an implementation issue, but
> > > using the module and trace-cmd doesn't have that problem. Hopefully you don't
> > > see that using RAW_TRACEPOINTs.
> >
> > So I have a proper patch for that now, that actually turned out to be really
> > tiny once you untangle exactly what is missing.
> >
> > Peter, bpf programs aren't considered ABIs AFAIK, do you have concerns about
> > that?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > --
> > Qais Yousef
> >
> > -->8--
> >
> > From cf81de8c7db03d62730939aa902579339e2fc859 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> > From: Qais Yousef <qais.yousef@....com>
> > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 22:20:34 +0000
> > Subject: [PATCH] trace: bpf: Allow bpf to attach to bare tracepoints
> >
> > Some subsystems only have bare tracepoints (a tracepoint with no
> > associated trace event) to avoid the problem of trace events being an
> > ABI that can't be changed.
> >
> > From bpf presepective, bare tracepoints are what it calls
> > RAW_TRACEPOINT().
> >
> > Since bpf assumed there's 1:1 mapping, it relied on hooking to
> > DEFINE_EVENT() macro to create bpf mapping of the tracepoints. Since
> > bare tracepoints use DECLARE_TRACE() to create the tracepoint, bpf had
> > no knowledge about their existence.
> >
> > By teaching bpf_probe.h to parse DECLARE_TRACE() in a similar fashion to
> > DEFINE_EVENT(), bpf can find and attach to the new raw tracepoints.
> >
> > Enabling that comes with the contract that changes to raw tracepoints
> > don't constitute a regression if they break existing bpf programs.
> > We need the ability to continue to morph and modify these raw
> > tracepoints without worrying about any ABI.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Qais Yousef <qais.yousef@....com>
> > ---
> >  include/trace/bpf_probe.h | 12 ++++++++++--
> >  1 file changed, 10 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> >
> > diff --git a/include/trace/bpf_probe.h b/include/trace/bpf_probe.h
> > index cd74bffed5c6..a23be89119aa 100644
> > --- a/include/trace/bpf_probe.h
> > +++ b/include/trace/bpf_probe.h
> > @@ -55,8 +55,7 @@
> >  /* tracepoints with more than 12 arguments will hit build error */
> >  #define CAST_TO_U64(...) CONCATENATE(__CAST, COUNT_ARGS(__VA_ARGS__))(__VA_ARGS__)
> >
> > -#undef DECLARE_EVENT_CLASS
> > -#define DECLARE_EVENT_CLASS(call, proto, args, tstruct, assign, print) \
> > +#define __BPF_DECLARE_TRACE(call, proto, args)                         \
> >  static notrace void                                                    \
> >  __bpf_trace_##call(void *__data, proto)                                        \
> >  {                                                                      \
> > @@ -64,6 +63,10 @@ __bpf_trace_##call(void *__data, proto)                                      \
> >         CONCATENATE(bpf_trace_run, COUNT_ARGS(args))(prog, CAST_TO_U64(args));  \
> >  }
> >
> > +#undef DECLARE_EVENT_CLASS
> > +#define DECLARE_EVENT_CLASS(call, proto, args, tstruct, assign, print) \
> > +       __BPF_DECLARE_TRACE(call, PARAMS(proto), PARAMS(args))
> > +
> >  /*
> >   * This part is compiled out, it is only here as a build time check
> >   * to make sure that if the tracepoint handling changes, the
> > @@ -111,6 +114,11 @@ __DEFINE_EVENT(template, call, PARAMS(proto), PARAMS(args), size)
> >  #define DEFINE_EVENT_PRINT(template, name, proto, args, print) \
> >         DEFINE_EVENT(template, name, PARAMS(proto), PARAMS(args))
> >
> > +#undef DECLARE_TRACE
> > +#define DECLARE_TRACE(call, proto, args)                               \
> > +       __BPF_DECLARE_TRACE(call, PARAMS(proto), PARAMS(args))          \
> > +       __DEFINE_EVENT(call, call, PARAMS(proto), PARAMS(args), 0)
> > +
> >  #include TRACE_INCLUDE(TRACE_INCLUDE_FILE)
> 
> The patch looks fine to me.
> Please add a few things:
> - selftests to make sure it gets routinely tested with bpf CI.

Any pointer to an example test I could base this on?

> - add a doc with contents from commit log.

You're referring to the ABI part of the changelog, right?

> The "Does bpf make things into an abi ?" question keeps coming back
> over and over again.
> Everytime we have the same answer that No, bpf cannot bake things into abi.
> I think once it's spelled out somewhere in Documentation/ it would be easier to
> repeat this message.

How about a new Documentation/bpf/ABI.rst? I can write something up initially
for us to discuss in detail when I post.

We have Documentation/ABI directory but I don't think it's suitable for what we
want.

> Also please tag future patches to bpf-next tree to make sure things
> keep being tested.

Sure. I understood this means adding a [PATCH bpf-next ...] in the subject
line.

Thanks

--
Qais Yousef

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