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Date:   Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:25:27 +0900
From:   Tomasz Figa <tfiga@...omium.org>
To:     Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@...il.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 0/6] Restricted DMA

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 12:56 PM Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@...il.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 1/12/2021 6:29 PM, Tomasz Figa wrote:
> > Hi Florian,
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 3:01 AM Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@...il.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 1/11/21 11:48 PM, Claire Chang wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 1:59 AM Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@...il.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 1/7/21 9:42 AM, Claire Chang wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Can you explain how ATF gets involved and to what extent it does help,
> >>>>>> besides enforcing a secure region from the ARM CPU's perpsective? Does
> >>>>>> the PCIe root complex not have an IOMMU but can somehow be denied access
> >>>>>> to a region that is marked NS=0 in the ARM CPU's MMU? If so, that is
> >>>>>> still some sort of basic protection that the HW enforces, right?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We need the ATF support for memory MPU (memory protection unit).
> >>>>> Restricted DMA (with reserved-memory in dts) makes sure the predefined memory
> >>>>> region is for PCIe DMA only, but we still need MPU to locks down PCIe access to
> >>>>> that specific regions.
> >>>>
> >>>> OK so you do have a protection unit of some sort to enforce which region
> >>>> in DRAM the PCIE bridge is allowed to access, that makes sense,
> >>>> otherwise the restricted DMA region would only be a hint but nothing you
> >>>> can really enforce. This is almost entirely analogous to our systems then.
> >>>
> >>> Here is the example of setting the MPU:
> >>> https://github.com/ARM-software/arm-trusted-firmware/blob/master/plat/mediatek/mt8183/drivers/emi_mpu/emi_mpu.c#L132
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> There may be some value in standardizing on an ARM SMCCC call then since
> >>>> you already support two different SoC vendors.
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Broadcom STB SoCs we have had something similar for a while however
> >>>>>> and while we don't have an IOMMU for the PCIe bridge, we do have a a
> >>>>>> basic protection mechanism whereby we can configure a region in DRAM to
> >>>>>> be PCIe read/write and CPU read/write which then gets used as the PCIe
> >>>>>> inbound region for the PCIe EP. By default the PCIe bridge is not
> >>>>>> allowed access to DRAM so we must call into a security agent to allow
> >>>>>> the PCIe bridge to access the designated DRAM region.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We have done this using a private CMA area region assigned via Device
> >>>>>> Tree, assigned with a and requiring the PCIe EP driver to use
> >>>>>> dma_alloc_from_contiguous() in order to allocate from this device
> >>>>>> private CMA area. The only drawback with that approach is that it
> >>>>>> requires knowing how much memory you need up front for buffers and DMA
> >>>>>> descriptors that the PCIe EP will need to process. The problem is that
> >>>>>> it requires driver modifications and that does not scale over the number
> >>>>>> of PCIe EP drivers, some we absolutely do not control, but there is no
> >>>>>> need to bounce buffer. Your approach scales better across PCIe EP
> >>>>>> drivers however it does require bounce buffering which could be a
> >>>>>> performance hit.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Only the streaming DMA (map/unmap) needs bounce buffering.
> >>>>
> >>>> True, and typically only on transmit since you don't really control
> >>>> where the sk_buff are allocated from, right? On RX since you need to
> >>>> hand buffer addresses to the WLAN chip prior to DMA, you can allocate
> >>>> them from a pool that already falls within the restricted DMA region, right?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Right, but applying bounce buffering to RX will make it more secure.
> >>> The device won't be able to modify the content after unmap. Just like what
> >>> iommu_unmap does.
> >>
> >> Sure, however the goals of using bounce buffering equally applies to RX
> >> and TX in that this is the only layer sitting between a stack (block,
> >> networking, USB, etc.) and the underlying device driver that scales well
> >> in order to massage a dma_addr_t to be within a particular physical range.
> >>
> >> There is however room for improvement if the drivers are willing to
> >> change their buffer allocation strategy. When you receive Wi-Fi frames
> >> you need to allocate buffers for the Wi-Fi device to DMA into, and that
> >> happens ahead of the DMA transfers by the Wi-Fi device. At buffer
> >> allocation time you could very well allocate these frames from the
> >> restricted DMA region without having to bounce buffer them since the
> >> host CPU is in control over where and when to DMA into.
> >>
> >
> > That is, however, still a trade-off between saving that one copy and
> > protection from the DMA tampering with the packet contents when the
> > kernel is reading them. Notice how the copy effectively makes a
> > snapshot of the contents, guaranteeing that the kernel has a
> > consistent view of the packet, which is not true if the DMA could
> > modify the buffer contents in the middle of CPU accesses.
>
> I would say that the window just became so much narrower for the PCIe
> end-point to overwrite contents with the copy because it would have to
> happen within the dma_unmap_{page,single} time and before the copy is
> finished to the bounce buffer.

Not only. Imagine this:

a) Without bouncing:

- RX interrupt
- Pass the packet to the network stack
- Network stack validates the packet
- DMA overwrites the packet
- Network stack goes boom, because the packet changed after validation

b) With bouncing:

- RX interrupt
- Copy the packet to a DMA-inaccessible buffer
- Network stack validates the packet
- Network stack is happy, because the packet is guaranteed to stay the
same after validation

Best regards,
Tomasz

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