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Message-Id: <86F8CE62-A94B-46BD-9A29-DBE1CC14AA83@amacapital.net>
Date:   Fri, 29 Jan 2021 11:58:21 -0800
From:   Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>
To:     Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...el.com>
Cc:     Yu-cheng Yu <yu-cheng.yu@...el.com>, x86@...nel.org,
        "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
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        Balbir Singh <bsingharora@...il.com>,
        Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>,
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        Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...ux.intel.com>,
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        Pengfei Xu <pengfei.xu@...el.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v18 02/25] x86/cet/shstk: Add Kconfig option for user-mode control-flow protection



> On Jan 29, 2021, at 11:42 AM, Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...el.com> wrote:
> 
> On 1/27/21 1:25 PM, Yu-cheng Yu wrote:
>> +    help
>> +      Control-flow protection is a hardware security hardening feature
>> +      that detects function-return address or jump target changes by
>> +      malicious code.
> 
> It's not really one feature.  I also think it's not worth talking about
> shadow stacks or indirect branch tracking in *here*.  Leave that for
> Documentation/.
> 
> Just say:
> 
>    Control-flow protection is a set of hardware features which
>    place additional restrictions on indirect branches.  These help
>    mitigate ROP attacks.
> 
> ... and add more in the IBT patches.
> 
>> Applications must be enabled to use it, and old
>> +      userspace does not get protection "for free".
>> +      Support for this feature is present on processors released in
>> +      2020 or later.  Enabling this feature increases kernel text size
>> +      by 3.7 KB.
> 
> Did any CPUs ever get released that have this?  If so, name them.  If
> not, time to change this to 2021, I think.

Zen 3 :)

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