Message-ID: <YBwkVoNa77Nn5TE9@dhcp22.suse.cz>
Date:   Thu, 4 Feb 2021 17:44:06 +0100
From:   Michal Hocko <mhocko@...e.com>
To:     Johannes Weiner <hannes@...xchg.org>
Cc:     Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Tejun Heo <tj@...nel.org>, Roman Gushchin <guro@...com>,
        linux-mm@...ck.org, cgroups@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, kernel-team@...com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/7] mm: memcontrol: switch to rstat

On Thu 04-02-21 11:15:06, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> Hello Michal,
> 
> On Thu, Feb 04, 2021 at 03:19:17PM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > On Tue 02-02-21 13:47:45, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> > > Replace the memory controller's custom hierarchical stats code with
> > > the generic rstat infrastructure provided by the cgroup core.
> > > 
> > > The current implementation does batched upward propagation from the
> > > write side (i.e. as stats change). The per-cpu batches introduce an
> > > error, which is multiplied by the number of subgroups in a tree. In
> > > systems with many CPUs and sizable cgroup trees, the error can be
> > > large enough to confuse users (e.g. 32 batch pages * 32 CPUs * 32
> > > subgroups results in an error of up to 128M per stat item). This can
> > > entirely swallow allocation bursts inside a workload that the user is
> > > expecting to see reflected in the statistics.
> > > 
> > > In the past, we've done read-side aggregation, where a memory.stat
> > > read would have to walk the entire subtree and add up per-cpu
> > > counts. This became problematic with lazily-freed cgroups: we could
> > > have large subtrees where most cgroups were entirely idle. Hence the
> > > switch to change-driven upward propagation. Unfortunately, it needed
> > > to trade accuracy for speed due to the write side being so hot.
> > > 
> > > Rstat combines the best of both worlds: from the write side, it
> > > cheaply maintains a queue of cgroups that have pending changes, so
> > > that the read side can do selective tree aggregation. This way the
> > > reported stats will always be precise and recent as can be, while the
> > > aggregation can skip over potentially large numbers of idle cgroups.
> > > 
> > > This adds a second vmstats to struct mem_cgroup (MEMCG_NR_STAT +
> > > NR_VM_EVENT_ITEMS) to track pending subtree deltas during upward
> > > aggregation. It removes 3 words from the per-cpu data. It eliminates
> > > memcg_exact_page_state(), since memcg_page_state() is now exact.
> > 
> > I am still digesting details and need to look deeper into how rstat
> > works but removing our own stats is definitely a good plan. Especially
> > when there are existing limitations and problems that would need fixing.
> > 
> > Just to check that my high level understanding is correct. The
> > transition is effectivelly removing a need to manually sync counters up
> > the hierarchy and partially outsources that decision to rstat core. The
> > controller is responsible just to tell the core how that syncing is done
> > (e.g. which specific counters etc).
> 
> Yes, exactly.
> 
> rstat implements a tree of cgroups that have local changes pending,
> and a flush walk on that tree. But it's all driven by the controller.
> 
> memcg needs to tell rstat 1) when stats in a local cgroup change
> e.g. when we do mod_memcg_state() (cgroup_rstat_updated), 2) when to
> flush, e.g. before a memory.stat read (cgroup_rstat_flush), and 3) how
> to flush one cgroup's per-cpu state and propagate it upward to the
> parent during rstat's flush walk (.css_rstat_flush).

Can we have this short summary in a changelog please?

> > Excplicit flushes are needed when you want an exact value (e.g. when
> > values are presented to the userspace). I do not see any flushes to
> > be done by the core pro-actively except for clean up on a release.
> > 
> > Is the above correct understanding?
> 
> Yes, that's correct.

OK, thanks for the confirmation. I will have a closer look tomorrow but
I do not see any problems now.

-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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