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Message-ID: <20210204143618.GY1463@shell.armlinux.org.uk>
Date:   Thu, 4 Feb 2021 14:36:18 +0000
From:   Russell King - ARM Linux admin <linux@...linux.org.uk>
To:     Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@...nel.org>
Cc:     Marc Zyngier <maz@...nel.org>,
        Guillaume Tucker <guillaume.tucker@...labora.com>,
        Geert Uytterhoeven <geert+renesas@...der.be>,
        Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@...aro.org>,
        Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org>,
        Nicolas Pitre <nico@...xnic.net>, kernelci-results@...ups.io
Subject: Re: next/master bisection: baseline.login on rk3288-rock2-square

On Thu, Feb 04, 2021 at 03:25:20PM +0100, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> Pushing contents of the cache hierarchy to main memory is *not* a
> valid use of set/way ops, and so there is no point in pretending that
> set/way ops will produce the same results as by-VA ops. Only the by-VA
> ops give the architectural guarantees that we rely on for correctness.

... yet we /were/ doing that, and it worked fine for 13 years - from
1st June 2007 until the by-VA merge into mainline on the 3rd April
2020.

You may be right that it wasn't the most correct way, but it worked
for those 13 years without issue, and it's only recently that it's
become a problem, and trying to "fix" that introduced a regression,
and fixing that regression has caused another regression... and I
what I'm wondering is how many more regression fixing cycles it's
going to take - how many regression fixes on top of other regression
fixes are we going to end up seeing here.

The fact is, we never properly understood why your patch caused the
regression I was seeing. If we don't understand it, then we can never
say that we've fixed the problem properly. That is highlighted by the
fact that fixing the regression I was seeing has caused another
regression.

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