linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v1 0/3] KEYS: trusted: Introduce support for NXP CAAM-based trusted keys

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Date:   Thu, 1 Apr 2021 12:57:22 +0200
From:   Ahmad Fatoum <a.fatoum@...gutronix.de>
To:     Richard Weinberger <richard@....at>
Cc:     Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@...nel.org>,
        horia geanta <horia.geanta@....com>,
        Mimi Zohar <zohar@...ux.ibm.com>,
        aymen sghaier <aymen.sghaier@....com>,
        Herbert Xu <herbert@...dor.apana.org.au>,
        davem <davem@...emloft.net>,
        James Bottomley <jejb@...ux.ibm.com>,
        kernel <kernel@...gutronix.de>,
        David Howells <dhowells@...hat.com>,
        James Morris <jmorris@...ei.org>,
        "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@...lyn.com>,
        Steffen Trumtrar <s.trumtrar@...gutronix.de>,
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        Jan Luebbe <j.luebbe@...gutronix.de>,
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        Franck Lenormand <franck.lenormand@....com>,
        Sumit Garg <sumit.garg@...aro.org>,
        linux-integrity <linux-integrity@...r.kernel.org>,
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        LSM <linux-security-module@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 0/3] KEYS: trusted: Introduce support for NXP
 CAAM-based trusted keys

Hello Richard,

On 01.04.21 12:53, Richard Weinberger wrote:
> Ahmad,
> 
> ----- Ursprüngliche Mail -----
>> Do you mean systemd-cryptsetup? It looks to me like it's just a way to supply
>> the keyphrase. With trusted keys and a keyphrase unknown to userspace, this
>> won't work.
> 
> Nah, I meant existing scripts/service Files.
> 
>> I don't (yet) see the utility of it without LUKS. Perhaps a command dump on how
>> to do the same I did with dmsetup, but with cryptsetup plain instead could
>> help me to see the benefits?
> 
> My reasoning is simple, why do I need a different tool when there is already one
> that could do the task too?
> Usually the systems I get my hands on use already dm-crypt with cryptsetup in some way.
> So I have the tooling already in my initramfs, etc.. and need to adopt the callers of cryptsetup a little.
> 
> If I need all of a sudden different/additional tooling, it means more work, more docs to write,
> more hassle with crypto/system reviewers, etc...
> 
> I don't want you to force to use cryptsetup.

I'd love to use cryptsetup with LUKS and trusted keys eventually. I'll take
a look and see if cryptsetup plain maybe a suitable stop-gap solution for us.

> The only goal was pointing out that it can be done with cryptsetup and that there
> is already code such that no work is done twice.
> One the kernel side it does not matter.

Thanks for the pointer,
Ahmad

> 
> Thanks,
> //richard
> 

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