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Date:   Tue, 6 Apr 2021 18:52:07 +0200
From:   Andrzej Hajda <a.hajda@...sung.com>
To:     Doug Anderson <dianders@...omium.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 11/14] drm/bridge: ti-sn65dsi86: Power things
 properly for reading the EDID

Hello again after easter,


I have looked little bit more at sn65* driver and its application to 
have better background.

I miss only info what panel do you have, how it is enabled/power controlled.


W dniu 01.04.2021 o 16:57, Doug Anderson pisze:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 4:12 AM Andrzej Hajda <a.hajda@...sung.com> wrote:
>>
>> W dniu 31.03.2021 o 16:48, Doug Anderson pisze:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 4:08 AM Andrzej Hajda <a.hajda@...sung.com> wrote:
>>>> W dniu 30.03.2021 o 04:53, Douglas Anderson pisze:
>>>>> eDP panels won't provide their EDID unless they're powered on. Let's
>>>>> chain a power-on before we read the EDID. This roughly matches what
>>>>> was done in 'parade-ps8640.c'.
>>>>>
>>>>> NOTE: The old code attempted to call pm_runtime_get_sync() before
>>>>> reading the EDID. While that was enough to power the bridge chip on,
>>>>> it wasn't enough to talk to the panel for two reasons:
>>>>> 1. Since we never ran the bridge chip's pre-enable then we never set
>>>>>       the bit to ignore HPD. This meant the bridge chip didn't even _try_
>>>>>       to go out on the bus and communicate with the panel.
>>>>> 2. Even if we fixed things to ignore HPD, the EDID still wouldn't read
>>>>>       if the panel wasn't on.
>>>>>
>>>>> One thing that's a bit odd here is taking advantage of the EDID that
>>>>> the core might have cached for us. See the patch ("drm/edid: Use the
>>>>> cached EDID in drm_get_edid() if eDP"). We manage to get at the cache
>>>>> by:
>>>>> - Instantly failing aux transfers if we're not powered.
>>>>> - If the first read of the EDID fails we try again after powering.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fixes: 58074b08c04a ("drm/bridge: ti-sn65dsi86: Read EDID blob over DDC")
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Douglas Anderson <dianders@...omium.org>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Depending on what people think of the other patches in this series,
>>>>> some of this could change.
>>>>> - If everyone loves the "runtime PM" in the panel driver then we
>>>>>      could, in theory, put the pre-enable chaining straight in the "aux
>>>>>      transfer" function.
>>>>> - If everyone hates the EDID cache moving to the core then we can
>>>>>      avoid some of the awkward flow of things and keep the EDID cache in
>>>>>      the sn65dsi86 driver.
>>>> I wonder if this shouldn't be solved in the core - ie caller of
>>>> get_modes callback should be responsible for powering up the pipeline,
>>>> otherwise we need to repeat this stuff in every bridge/panel driver.
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts?
>>> Yeah, I did look at this a little bit. Presumably it would only make
>>> sense to do it for eDP connections since:
>>>
>>> a) The concept of reading an EDID doesn't make sense for things like MIPI.
>> I guess you mean MIPI DSI
> Yes, sorry! I'll try to be more clear.
>
>
>> and yes I agree, more generally it usually(!)
>> doesn't make sense for any setup with fixed display panel.
>>
>> On the other hand there are DSI/HDMI or DSI/DP adapters which usually
>> have EDID reading logic.
>>
>> And the concept makes sense for most connectors accepting external
>> displays: HDMI, DP, MHL, VGA...
> So, actually, IMO the concept doesn't make sense for anything with an
> external connector. Here's the logic for a handful of connectors:
>
> 1. MIPI DSI: there is no EDID so this doesn't make sense.
>
> 2. An external connector (HDMI, DP, etc): the display that's plugged
> in is externally powered so doesn't need us to power it up to read the
> EDID. By definition, when the HPD signal is asserted then it's OK to
> read the EDID and we don't even know if a display is plugged in until
> HPD is asserted. Thus no special power sequencing is needed to read
> the EDID.  (Yes, we need to make sure that the eDP controller itself
> is powered, but that doesn't seem like it's the core's business).

Not true IMO, even if external device is powered on, you must enable 
EDID-reader logic.

I guess it is not uncommon to have different power states for EDID 
reading and bridge/panel pre-enablement (especially in embedded world). 
In fact there are setups where EDID-reader is totally different device 
than the bridge itself, and these devices should be 
powered/enabled/operational only for time of EDID reading.

>
> 3. eDP: this is where it matters. This is because:
>
> 3a) eDP displays aren't powered all the time. If you just boot up or
> you blank your screen, likely the display has no power at all.
>
> 3b) Because the display has no power, the "HPD" signal doesn't assert.
> In fact, for eDP the "HPD" signal really should mean "display ready"
> or "display finished powering up".
>
> 3c) Even though we never get a HPD signal, we still simply assume that
> a display is present because this is an "embedded" device.
>
> So eDP is unique (as far as I know) in that it's a type of display
> that has an EDID but that we will report "a display is here" before
> we've powered up the display and before we can read the EDID.
>
>>> b) For something with an external connector (DP and HDMI) you don't
>>> even know they're inserted unless the EDID is ready to read (these
>>> devices are, essentially, always powered).
>> Usually there are two elements which are not the same:
>>
>> 1. HotPlug signal/wire.
>>
>> 2. EDID reading logic.
>>
>> The logic responsible for reading EDID needs to be enabled only for time
>> required for EDID reading :) So it's power state often must be
>> controlled explicitly by the bridge driver. So even if in many cases
>> pre_enable powers on the logic for EDID reading it does not make it the
>> rule, so I must step back from my claim that it is up to caller :)
> OK, I'll plan to keep it in the bridge chip driver now.
>
>
>>> So I started off trying to do this in the core for eDP, but then it
>>> wasn't completely clear how to write this code in a way that was super
>>> generic. Specifically:
>>>
>>> 1. I don't think it's a 100% guarantee that everything is powered on
>>> in pre-enable and powered off in post-disable. In this bridge chip
>>> it's true, but maybe not every eDP driver? Would you want me to just
>>> assume this, or add a flag?
>> Ok, pre_enable should power on the chip, but for performing
>> initialization of video transport layer. Assumption it will power on
>> EDID logic is incorrect, so my claim seems wrong, but also this patch
>> looks incorrect :)
>>
>> In general only device containing EDID logic knows how to power it up.
> I still believe my patch is correct. Specifically I don't need to make
> any assumptions about display elements upstream of me (sources of the
> bridge chip). I only need to make assumptions about the pre-enable of
> the bridge driver itself and anything downstream of it.
>
> At the moment downstream of this particular bridge chip is always a
> panel device. Even further, all known downstream devices are
> "simple-panel". That is known to power up the panel enough to read the
> EDID in the "prepare" stage.
>
> Sure, someone _could_ add another bridge downstream in some design,
> but it would be up to that person to either fix that downstream driver
> to power itself in pre-enable or to add some type of quirk disabling
> the EDID reading.
>
>
>> Since I do not know your particular case I can propose few possible ways
>> to investigate:
>>
>> - call bridge.next->get_modes - you leave responsibility for powering up
>> to the downstream device.
> The "next" bridge is the panel, so I don't think this works.


Then drm_panel_get_modes will work then.


>
>
>> - ddc driver on i2c request should power up the panel - seems also correct,
> Right, so I could put the
> "drm_bridge_chain_pre_enable(&pdata->bridge)" into the
> ti_sn_aux_transfer() function. I talked about that a little bit "after
> the cut" in my post where I said:
>
>> - If everyone loves the "runtime PM" in the panel driver then we
>>    could, in theory, put the pre-enable chaining straight in the "aux
>>    transfer" function.
> The reason for the dependence on "runtime PM" in the panel driver is
> that we are doing DDC over AUX and it breaks the EDID reading into
> lots of chunks so if we did the powering up and powering down there it
> would be crazy slow without the delayed poweroff.


OK, it resembles to me DSI-controlled panel - to query/configure panel 
panel driver asks DSI-host to transfer some bytes to the panel and/or 
back via DSI-bus.

In case of eDP panels we could do similar thing to read edid - we call 
drm_panel_get_modes - it calls drm_panel_funcs.get_modes callback and it 
decides (based on DT) if it should fill modes according to hardcoded 
info into the driver or to ask the physical panel via DP-controller - 
this way all the players (the panel, AUX/DDC device) will know what to 
power-up.

I guess there is missing pieces - there is no DP bus :), I am not sure 
if there is straight way to access panel's aux/ddc from the panel 
driver, maybe somehow via drm_connector ???

Of course this only my idea - to be discussed with others.


Regards

Andrzej



>
> -Doug
>

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