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Date:   Mon, 12 Apr 2021 18:36:04 +0200
From:   Daniel Vetter <daniel@...ll.ch>
To:     Rob Clark <robdclark@...il.com>
Cc:     dri-devel <dri-devel@...ts.freedesktop.org>,
        Rob Clark <robdclark@...omium.org>,
        "open list:DRM DRIVER FOR MSM ADRENO GPU" 
        <linux-arm-msm@...r.kernel.org>,
        open list <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Jordan Crouse <jordan@...micpenguin.net>,
        "open list:DRM DRIVER FOR MSM ADRENO GPU" 
        <freedreno@...ts.freedesktop.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/8] drm/msm: Swappable GEM objects

On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 08:23:33AM -0700, Rob Clark wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 7:28 AM Daniel Vetter <daniel@...ll.ch> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 08, 2021 at 08:23:42AM -0700, Rob Clark wrote:
> > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 4:15 AM Daniel Vetter <daniel@...ll.ch> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 10:45:23AM -0700, Rob Clark wrote:
> > > > > From: Rob Clark <robdclark@...omium.org>
> > > > >
> > > > > One would normally hope not to be under enough memory pressure to need
> > > > > to swap GEM objects to disk backed swap.  But memory backed zram swap
> > > > > (as enabled on chromebooks, for example) can actually be quite fast
> > > > > and useful on devices with less RAM.  On a 4GB device, opening up ~4
> > > > > memory intensive web pages (in separate windows rather than tabs, to try
> > > > > and prevent tab discard), I see ~500MB worth of GEM objects, of which
> > > > > maybe only 10% are active at any time, and with unpin/evict enabled,
> > > > > only about half resident (which is a number that gets much lower if you
> > > > > simulate extreme memory pressure).  Assuming a 2:1 compression ratio (I
> > > > > see a bit higher in practice, but cannot isolate swapped out GEM pages
> > > > > vs other), that is like having an extra 100+MB of RAM, or more under
> > > > > higher memory pressure.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rob Clark (8):
> > > > >   drm/msm: ratelimit GEM related WARN_ON()s
> > > > >   drm/msm: Reorganize msm_gem_shrinker_scan()
> > > > >   drm/msm: Clear msm_obj->sgt in put_pages()
> > > > >   drm/msm: Split iova purge and close
> > > > >   drm/msm: Add $debugfs/gem stats on resident objects
> > > > >   drm/msm: Track potentially evictable objects
> > > > >   drm/msm: Small msm_gem_purge() fix
> > > > >   drm/msm: Support evicting GEM objects to swap
> > > >
> > > > Given how much entertainement shrinkers are, should we aim for more common
> > > > code here?
> > > >
> > > > Christian has tons of fun with adding something like this for ttm (well
> > > > different shades of grey). i915 is going to adopt ttm, at least for
> > > > discrete.
> > > >
> > > > The locking is also an utter pain, and msm seems to still live a lot in
> > > > its own land here. I think as much as possible a standard approach here
> > > > would be really good, ideally maybe as building blocks shared between ttm
> > > > and gem-shmem drivers ...
> > >
> > > I don't disagree.. but also replacing the engines on an airplane
> > > mid-flight isn't a great option either.. ;-)
> > >
> > > The hard part (esp. wrt to locking) is tracking the state of a given
> > > bo.. ie. is it active, active+purgable, inactive+purgable,
> > > inactive+unpinnable, etc.  Currently the shmem helpers don't really
> > > provide anything here.  If they did, I suppose they could provide some
> > > shrinker helpers as well.  Unfortunately these days I barely have
> > > enough time for drm/msm, let alone bolting this onto the shmem
> > > helpers.  I would recommend that if someone wanted to do this, that
> > > they look at recent drm/msm shrinker patches that I've sent (ie. make
> > > shrinker->count() lockless, and drop the locks in shrinker->scan()
> > > body.. when the system is under heavy memory pressure, you start
> > > getting shrinker called from all the threads so contention for mm_lock
> > > can be a really bad problem)
> > >
> > > (Well, the other potential problem is that drm/msm has a lot of
> > > different possible iommu pairings across the generations, so there is
> > > some potential here to uncover exciting new bugs.. the locking at
> > > least is the same for all the generations and pretty easy to test with
> > > and without lockdep with some tests that push essentially all memory
> > > into swap)
> >
> > So what we aimed for with i915 and discrete gpu is to first align on
> > locking with dma_resv_lock for all buffer state, plus a bunch of
> > lru/allocator locks for lists and stuff.
> >
> > And then with more aligned locking, figure out how to maybe share more
> > code.
> >
> > The trouble is that right now neither shmem helpers, nor drivers using
> > them, are really using dma_resv_lock to protect their per-buffer state.
> 
> We are actually already using dma_resv_lock() since a few release
> cycles back.. msm_gem_lock() and friends are a wrapper around that
> from the migration away from using our own lock).. the mm_lock is
> symply protecting the lists, not the objects

Oh I thought there were still some warts here scanning through your
series. I guess I got confused, yay :-)

> > So yeah it's a bit an awkward situation, and I don't know myself really
> > how to get out of it. Lack of people with tons of free time doesn't help
> > much.
> >
> > So best case I think is that every time we touch helpers or drivers
> > locking in a big way, we check whether it's at least slightly going
> > towards dma_resv_lock or not. And at least make sure we're not going
> > backwards, and maybe not spin wheels at standstill.
> >
> > I guess my question is, what would be good to have to make sure we at
> > least all agree on the overall direction?
> 
> I guess if gem_shmem users aren't already using resv lock, moving in
> that directly would be a good idea.  Maybe it would make sense to
> build more object state tracking into gem_shmem helpers (ie. so you
> can know which buffers are active/purgable/unpinnable/etc without
> traversing a list of *all* gem objects).. that seems like pushing it
> more in the direction of being ttm-style frameworky compared to the
> simple helper API that it is now.  But maybe that is a good thing?

Moving shmem helpers is on the todo already.

https://dri.freedesktop.org/docs/drm/gpu/todo.html#move-buffer-object-locking-to-dma-resv-lock

And yes I think letting everyone reinvent their buffer locking scheme
wasn't the best idea. But otoh ttm was a monolith, and before Maarten
spent a lot of time pulling out dma_fence/resv and ww_mutex it really
wasn't reasonable to align with the design without pulling in the entire
monolith. The code improved a lot in this regard.

Also yeah I think pushing more object state into shmem helpers would
probably be good, but ideally not on the current locking ...
-Daniel

> 
> BR,
> -R
> 
> > -Daniel
> >
> > >
> > > BR,
> > > -R
> > >
> > > > -Daniel
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  drivers/gpu/drm/msm/msm_drv.c          |   2 +-
> > > > >  drivers/gpu/drm/msm/msm_drv.h          |  13 ++-
> > > > >  drivers/gpu/drm/msm/msm_gem.c          | 155 +++++++++++++++++--------
> > > > >  drivers/gpu/drm/msm/msm_gem.h          |  68 +++++++++--
> > > > >  drivers/gpu/drm/msm/msm_gem_shrinker.c | 129 ++++++++++++--------
> > > > >  drivers/gpu/drm/msm/msm_gpu_trace.h    |  13 +++
> > > > >  6 files changed, 272 insertions(+), 108 deletions(-)
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > 2.30.2
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Daniel Vetter
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