linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 00/13] [RFC] Rust support

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Message-ID: <CANiq72mSMtfdRFPGJKuoqCBFdsa_xHvx9ATjcB7QSunQdDHBuw@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Wed, 14 Apr 2021 22:20:51 +0200
From:   Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@...il.com>
To:     Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
Cc:     Miguel Ojeda <ojeda@...nel.org>,
        Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        rust-for-linux@...r.kernel.org,
        Linux Kbuild mailing list <linux-kbuild@...r.kernel.org>,
        "open list:DOCUMENTATION" <linux-doc@...r.kernel.org>,
        Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/13] [RFC] Rust support

On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 9:45 PM Linus Torvalds
<torvalds@...ux-foundation.org> wrote:
>
> With the main point of Rust being safety, there is no way I will ever
> accept "panic dynamically" (whether due to out-of-memory or due to
> anything else - I also reacted to the "floating point use causes
> dynamic panics") as a feature in the Rust model.

Agreed on all your points. As I mentioned in the other message (we
crossed emails), we have a lot of work to do regarding `alloc` and
slicing `core` for things that are not needed for the kernel
(floating-point, etc.).

We haven't done it just yet because it is not a trivial amount of work
and we wanted to have some overall sentiment from you and the
community overall before tackling everything. But it is doable and
there isn't any fundamental reason that prevents it (in fact, the
language supports no-allocation code).

Worst case, we may need to request a few bits here and there to the
`rustc` and standard library teams, but that should be about it.

In summary, to be clear:

  - On allocation: this is just our usage of `alloc` in order to speed
development up -- it will be replaced (or customized, we have to
decide how we will approach it) with our own allocation and data
structures.

  - On floating-point, 128-bit, etc.: the main issue is that the
`core` library is a single big blob at the moment. I have already
mentioned this to some Rust team folks. We will need a way to "cut"
some things out, for instance with the "feature flags" they already
have for other crates (or they can split `core` in to several, like
`alloc` is for similar reasons). Or we could do it on our side
somehow, but I prefer to avoid that (we cannot easily customize `core`
like we can with `alloc`, because it is tied to the compiler too
tightly).

Thanks a lot for having taken a look so quickly, by the way!

Cheers,
Miguel