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Date:   Wed, 21 Apr 2021 19:43:18 +0200
From:   Lucas Stach <l.stach@...gutronix.de>
To:     Robin Gong <yibin.gong@....com>,
        Shengjiu Wang <shengjiu.wang@...il.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] ASoC: fsl: imx-pcm-dma: Don't request dma channel in
 probe

Am Mittwoch, dem 21.04.2021 um 14:54 +0000 schrieb Robin Gong:
> On 20201/04/20 22:01 Lucas Stach <l.stach@...gutronix.de> wrote:
> > Am Dienstag, dem 20.04.2021 um 13:47 +0000 schrieb Robin Gong:
> > > On 2021/04/19 17:46 Lucas Stach <l.stach@...gutronix.de> wrote:
> > > > Am Montag, dem 19.04.2021 um 07:17 +0000 schrieb Robin Gong:
> > > > > Hi Lucas,
> > > > > 
> > > > > On 2021/04/14 Lucas Stach <l.stach@...gutronix.de> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Robin,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Am Mittwoch, dem 14.04.2021 um 14:33 +0000 schrieb Robin Gong:
> > > > > > > On 2020/05/20 17:43 Lucas Stach <l.stach@...gutronix.de> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Am Mittwoch, den 20.05.2020, 16:20 +0800 schrieb Shengjiu
> > Wang:
> > > > > > > > > Hi
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 6:04 PM Lucas Stach
> > > > > > > > > <l.stach@...gutronix.de>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Am Dienstag, den 19.05.2020, 17:41 +0800 schrieb Shengjiu
> > Wang:
> > > > > > > > > > > There are two requirements that we need to move the
> > > > > > > > > > > request of dma channel from probe to open.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > How do you handle -EPROBE_DEFER return code from the
> > > > > > > > > > channel request if you don't do it in probe?
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > I use the dma_request_slave_channel or dma_request_channel
> > > > > > > > > instead of dmaengine_pcm_request_chan_of. so there should
> > > > > > > > > be not -EPROBE_DEFER return code.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > This is a pretty weak argument. The dmaengine device might
> > > > > > > > probe after you try to get the channel. Using a function to
> > > > > > > > request the channel that doesn't allow you to handle probe
> > > > > > > > deferral is IMHO a bug and should be fixed, instead of
> > > > > > > > building even more assumptions on top
> > > > > > of it.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > - When dma device binds with power-domains, the power
> > > > > > > > > > > will be enabled when we request dma channel. If the
> > > > > > > > > > > request of dma channel happen on probe, then the
> > > > > > > > > > > power-domains will be always enabled after kernel boot
> > > > > > > > > > > up,  which is not good for power saving,  so we need
> > > > > > > > > > > to move the request of dma channel to .open();
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > This is certainly something which could be fixed in the
> > > > > > > > > > dmaengine driver.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Dma driver always call the pm_runtime_get_sync in
> > > > > > > > > device_alloc_chan_resources, the
> > > > > > > > > device_alloc_chan_resources is called when channel is
> > > > > > > > > requested. so power is enabled on channel
> > > > > > request.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > So why can't you fix the dmaengine driver to do that RPM
> > > > > > > > call at a later time when the channel is actually going to
> > > > > > > > be used? This will allow further power savings with other
> > > > > > > > slave devices than the audio
> > > > PCM.
> > > > > > > Hi Lucas,
> > > > > > >   Thanks for your suggestion. I have tried to implement
> > > > > > > runtime autosuspend in fsl-edma driver on i.mx8qm/qxp with
> > > > > > > delay time (2
> > > > > > > sec) for this feature as below (or you can refer to
> > > > > > > drivers/dma/qcom/hidma.c), and pm_runtime_get_sync/
> > > > > > > pm_runtime_put_autosuspend in all dmaengine driver interface
> > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > device_alloc_chan_resources/device_prep_slave_sg/device_prep_d
> > > > > > > ma_c
> > > > > > > ycli
> > > > > > > c/
> > > > > > > device_tx_status...
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >                 pm_runtime_use_autosuspend(fsl_chan->de
> > v);
> > > > > > >                 pm_runtime_set_autosuspend_delay(fsl_cha
> > n->
> > > > dev,
> > > > > > 2000);
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > That could resolve this audio case since the autosuspend could
> > > > > > > suspend runtime after
> > > > > > > 2 seconds if there is no further dma transfer but only channel
> > > > > > request(device_alloc_chan_resources).
> > > > > > > But unfortunately, it cause another issue. As you know, on our
> > > > > > > i.mx8qm/qxp, power domain done by scfw
> > > > > > > (drivers/firmware/imx/scu-pd.c)
> > > > > > over mailbox:
> > > > > > >  imx_sc_pd_power()->imx_scu_call_rpc()->
> > > > > > > imx_scu_ipc_write()->mbox_send_message()
> > > > > > > which means have to 'waits for completion', meanwhile, some
> > > > > > > driver like tty will call dmaengine interfaces in non-atomic
> > > > > > > case as below,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > static int uart_write(struct tty_struct *tty, const unsigned
> > > > > > > char *buf, int count) {
> > > > > > >    .......
> > > > > > > 	    port = uart_port_lock(state, flags);
> > > > > > >    ......
> > > > > > >         __uart_start(tty);  //call
> > > > start_tx()->dmaengine_prep_slave_sg...
> > > > > > >         uart_port_unlock(port, flags);
> > > > > > >         return ret;
> > > > > > > }
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Thus dma runtime resume may happen in that timing window and
> > > > > > > cause
> > > > > > kernel alarm.
> > > > > > > I'm not sure whether there are similar limitations on other
> > > > > > > driver subsystem. But for me, It looks like the only way to
> > > > > > > resolve the contradiction between tty and scu-pd (hardware
> > > > > > > limitation on
> > > > > > > i.mx8qm/qxp) is to give up autosuspend and keep
> > > > > > > pm_runtime_get_sync
> > > > > > only in device_alloc_chan_resources because request channel is a
> > > > > > safe non-atomic phase.
> > > > > > > Do you have any idea? Thanks in advance.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > If you look closely at the driver you used as an example
> > > > > > (hidma.c) it looks like there is already something in there,
> > > > > > which looks very much like what you need
> > > > > > here:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > In hidma_issue_pending() the driver tries to get the device to
> > > > > > runtime
> > > > resume.
> > > > > > If this doesn't work, maybe due to the power domain code not
> > > > > > being able to be called in atomic context, the actual work of
> > > > > > waking up the dma hardware and issuing the descriptor is shunted to a
> > tasklet.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > If I'm reading this right, this is exactly what you need here to
> > > > > > be able to call the dmaengine code from atomic context: try the
> > > > > > rpm get and issue immediately when possible, otherwise shunt the
> > > > > > work to a
> > > > > > non- atomic context where you can deal with the requirements of
> > scu-pd.
> > > > > Yes, I can schedule_work to worker to runtime resume edma channel
> > > > > by
> > > > calling scu-pd.
> > > > > But that means all dmaengine interfaces should be taken care, not
> > > > > only
> > > > > issue_pending() but also
> > > > > dmaengine_terminate_all()/dmaengine_pause()/dmaengine_resume()/
> > > > > dmaengine_tx_status(). Not sure why hidma only take care
> > > > > issue_pending. Maybe their user case is just for memcpy/memset so
> > > > > that no further complicate case as ALSA or TTY.
> > > > > Besides, for autosuspend in cyclic, we have to add
> > > > > pm_runtime_get_sync into interrupt handler as qcom/bam_dma.c. but
> > > > > how could resolve the scu-pd's non-atmoic limitation in interrupt
> > handler?
> > > > 
> > > > Sure, this all needs some careful analysis on how those functions
> > > > are called and what to do about atomic callers, but it should be
> > > > doable. I don't see any fundamental issues here.
> > > > 
> > > > I don't see why you would ever need to wake the hardware in an
> > > > interrupt handler. Surely the hardware is already awake, as it
> > > > wouldn't signal an interrupt otherwise. And for the issue with
> > > > scu-pd you only care about the state transition of
> > > > suspended->running. If the hardware is already running/awake, the
> > > > runtime pm state handling is nothing more than bumping a refcount,
> > > > which is atomic safe. Putting the HW in suspend is already handled
> > asynchronously in a worker, so this is also atomic safe.
> > > But with autosuspend used, in corner case, may runtime suspended
> > > before falling Into edma interrupt handler if timeout happen with the
> > > delay value of pm_runtime_set_autosuspend_delay(). Thus, can't touch
> > > any edma interrupt status register unless runtime resume edma in
> > > interrupt handler while runtime resume function based on scu-pd's power
> > domain may block or sleep.
> > > I have a simple workaround that disable runtime suspend in
> > > issue_pending worker by calling pm_runtime_forbid() and then enable
> > > runtime auto suspend in dmaengine_terminate_all so that we could
> > > easily regard that edma channel is always in runtime resume between
> > > issue_pending and channel terminated and ignore the above interrupt
> > handler/scu-pd limitation.
> > 
> > The IRQ handler is the point where you are informed by the hardware that a
> > specific operation is complete. I don't see any use-case where it would be valid
> > to drop the rpm refcount to 0 before the IRQ is handled. Surely the hardware
> > needs to stay awake until the currently queued operations are complete and if
> > the IRQ handler is the completion point the IRQ handler is the first point in
> > time where your autosuspend timer should start to run. There should never be
> > a situation where the timer expiry can get between IRQ signaling and the
> > handler code running.
> But the timer of runtime_auto_suspend decide when enter runtime suspend rather
> than hardware, while transfer data size and transfer rate on IP bus decide when the
> dma interrupt happen. 
> 
But it isn't the hardware that decides to drop the rpm refcount to 0
and starting the autosuspend timer, it's the driver.

>  Generally, we can call pm_runtime_get_sync(fsl_chan->dev)/
> pm_runtime_mark_last_busy in interrupt handler to hope the runtime_auto_suspend
> timer expiry later than interrupt coming, but if the transfer data size is larger in cyclic
> and transfer rate is very slow like 115200 or lower on uart, the fix autosuspend timer
> 100ms/200ms maybe not enough, hence, runtime suspend may execute meanwhile
> the dma interrupt maybe triggered and caught by GIC(but interrupt handler prevent
> by spin_lock_irqsave in pm_suspend_timer_fn() ), and then interrupt handler start
> to run after runtime suspend. 

If your driver code drops the rpm refcount to 0 and starts the
autosuspend timer while a cyclic transfer is still in flight this is
clearly a bug. Autosuspend is not there to paper over driver bugs, but
to amortize cost of actually suspending and resuming the hardware. Your
driver code must still work even if the timeout is 0, i.e. the hardware
is immediately suspended after you drop the rpm refcount to 0.

If you still have transfers queued/in-flight the driver code must keep
a rpm reference.

Regards,
Lucas

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