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Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 22:25:24 +0530
From: Srikar Dronamraju <srikar@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Mel Gorman <mgorman@...hsingularity.net>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
Rik van Riel <riel@...riel.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
Valentin Schneider <valentin.schneider@....com>,
Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@...aro.org>,
Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@....com>,
Michael Ellerman <mpe@...erman.id.au>,
Gautham R Shenoy <ego@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Parth Shah <parth@...ux.ibm.com>,
Aubrey Li <aubrey.li@...ux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/8] sched/fair: wake_affine improvements
* Mel Gorman <mgorman@...hsingularity.net> [2021-05-19 10:36:44]:
> On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 01:10:19PM +0530, Srikar Dronamraju wrote:
> > Recently we found that some of the benchmark numbers on Power10 were lesser
> > than expected. Some analysis showed that the problem lies in the fact that
> > L2-Cache on Power10 is at core level i.e only 4 threads share the L2-cache.
> >
> > One probable solution to the problem was worked by Gautham where he posted
> > http://lore.kernel.org/lkml/1617341874-1205-1-git-send-email-ego@linux.vnet.ibm.com/t/#u
> > a patch that marks MC domain as LLC.
> >
> > Here the focus is on improving the current core scheduler's wakeup
> > mechanism by looking at idle-cores and nr_busy_cpus that is already
> > maintained per Last level cache(aka LLC)
> >
> > Hence this approach can work well with the mc-llc too. It can help
> > other architectures too.
> >
>
> It took a while for the test grid to process this series but I finally
> got results of this on different machines, including Zen1-3 that has
> many LLCs per NUMA node and it's a mixed bag. While there are some
> substantial gains depending on workload and machine, there are also some
> substantial losses. The most consistent in terms of showing losses was
> tbench4 but in general, the mix of major gains and losses may lead to a
> game of whack-a-mole regression hinting where fixes for one workload and
> machine introduce regressions in another setup.
>
Thanks Mel for taking time to run some of the benchmarks, analyzing the
same. I do agree that we should strive for gains with as less regressions as
possible.
> The mix of gains/losses across multiple machines makes it difficult to
> reach a solid ack/nak conclusion. My biggest concern is that machines with
> multiple LLCs-per-node were most likely to show major gains or major losses
> depending on the workload and the treatment of LLCs is a big aspect of
> what the series does. I have not read the series in detail but the idler
> LLC selection appears to ignore NUMA locality and that might be part of
> the problem.
>
Based on the interactions with Aubrey in the v2 post thread, I think some of
this problem is due to searching for the *evasive* idle-core in
overcommitted high cores-per-LLC systems.
My hunch that we could easily search for idle-cores when the CPUs have just
gone to idle seems to have hurt the case where the system has lot of small
running tasks like tbench or netperf. It looks like we end up with a lot
threads unnecessarily trying to set idle-core at the same time.
The reverse where we drop the search for idle-cores if the current core is
not idle (aka set_next_idle_core) seems to affect mildly loaded hackbench
as they no more get to choose an idle-core.
For now the LLC selection does ignore NUMA locality, because that would
further complicate the current problem. Once we could iron out the LLC
selection for the die, we could look at extending this further.
But please do let me know if you have ideas to try with NUMA locality.
> Relative to your own results
>
> Hackbench: I didn't see the same gains but that is likely related to
> architecture and the topology.
>
In the POWER10 machine, there is just one LLC, so current behaviour of
pulling thread to the same LLC, hurts even when there are other idle-cores
in the system, affects the performance.
> DayTrader: I think this is an IBM benchmark that I'm guessing has a
> complex software stack required to reproduce it so I cannot
> comment.
>
Agree.
> Schbench: What parameters did you use? For me, I saw some big losses on
> the 99%+ percentiles but I could be using different parameters
> to you
>
While I ran multiple schbench, the numbers shown were for
schbench -m 3 -r 30
> Mongodb: I do not have an equivalent workload. What load generator did
> you use and what parameters?
>
The mongodb workload that we are running is called Workload A which is an
update heavy workload with 50% reads and 50% writes. It is driven via YCSB
With 35 clients, this mongodb workload hits close to 90% utilization.
> More details below
>
> NAS Parallal Benchmark was mostly ok. Zen2 for NAS-OMP-SP showed a 20%
> regression and higher system CPU usage but it was an outlier.
> While there were some other negative results, they were relatively
> short-lived in terms of absolute time.
>
> DBench on XFS -- mostly ok. Intel machines were neutral. Zen2 showed
> 0-8% regressions depending on client count but Zen3 showed major
> gains 0-39%
>
> SpecJBB 2005 (1 VM per NUMA node) showed variable results across both
> Intel and AMD based machines.
> 2-socket Broadwell: -10% loss to 16% gain but the gain was
> an outlier, it was mostly losses
> 2-socket Haswell: -11% loss to 2% gain, mostly losses
> 2-socket Zen1: -5% loss to 20% gain, low thread loss, high thread gain
> 2-socket Zen2: -25% loss to 44% gain, mostly losses
> 2-socket Zen3: -4% loss to 42% gain, mostly gains
>
> Perf bench pipe showed mostly small losses and higher system CPU usage.
> Worst case was an 8% loss, but mostly it was in the 0-2% range
>
> Git checkout (shellscript intensive) was mostly neutral on Intel but
> gained heavily on Zen*
> Zen1: +5.48% gain
> Zen2: +5.42% gain
> Zen3: +17% gain
>
> Kernel compilation: Mix of gains and losses, mostly neural with one
> exception
>
> Schbench (Facebook-based benchmark sensitive to wakeup latency) fine on
> most machines but some major regressing outliers on zen3
>
> Hackbench-process-pipes: Mostly neutral, Zen 1 showed gains, Zen 3
> showed losses
>
> Hackbench-process-sockets: Mostly neural but for Zen, Zen1 showed
> losses, Zen 3 showed gains (the opposite of pipes)
>
> Hackbench-process-pipes: Bit mixed but mostly either netural or gains
>
> Hackbench-socket-pipes: Bit mixed but Zen1 showed mostly losses
>
> Netperf-TCP_STREAM: Mostly slight mix except for Zen3 with 15-26% losses
>
> Zen 3 netperf-tcp
> 5.13.0-rc1 5.13.0-rc1
> vanilla sched-wakeidler-v3r1
> Hmean 64 2278.21 ( 0.00%) 1670.67 * -26.67%*
> Hmean 128 4299.84 ( 0.00%) 3199.04 * -25.60%*
> Hmean 256 8176.62 ( 0.00%) 5800.95 * -29.05%*
> Hmean 1024 27050.12 ( 0.00%) 20743.79 * -23.31%*
> Hmean 2048 42558.18 ( 0.00%) 33819.75 * -20.53%*
> Hmean 3312 50576.24 ( 0.00%) 39549.06 * -21.80%*
> Hmean 4096 57782.00 ( 0.00%) 49030.97 * -15.14%*
> Hmean 8192 72400.49 ( 0.00%) 53489.29 * -26.12%*
> Hmean 16384 80997.97 ( 0.00%) 63521.05 * -21.58%*
>
> Netperf-UDP_STREAM: Mostly neutral but some machines show 0-13% losses
>
> Tbench4: Mostly leaned towards being a loss
>
> Single-socket Skylake
> 5.13.0-rc1 5.13.0-rc1
> vanilla sched-wakeidler-v3r1
> Hmean 1 591.86 ( 0.00%) 585.56 * -1.07%*
> Hmean 2 1050.84 ( 0.00%) 1069.35 * 1.76%*
> Hmean 4 1546.96 ( 0.00%) 1501.62 * -2.93%*
> Hmean 8 2740.19 ( 0.00%) 2675.56 * -2.36%*
> Hmean 16 2450.22 ( 0.00%) 2413.80 * -1.49%*
> Hmean 32 2426.44 ( 0.00%) 2361.36 * -2.68%*
>
> Small losses, higher system CPU usage (not shown)
>
> 2-socket Cascadelake
> 5.13.0-rc1 5.13.0-rc1
> vanilla sched-wakeidler-v3r1
> Hmean 1 544.22 ( 0.00%) 548.16 * 0.72%*
> Hmean 2 1058.67 ( 0.00%) 1044.67 * -1.32%*
> Hmean 4 2049.38 ( 0.00%) 2017.99 * -1.53%*
> Hmean 8 4071.51 ( 0.00%) 3893.55 * -4.37%*
> Hmean 16 6575.50 ( 0.00%) 6576.01 ( 0.01%)
> Hmean 32 10185.98 ( 0.00%) 10303.26 * 1.15%*
> Hmean 64 12145.38 ( 0.00%) 11616.73 * -4.35%*
> Hmean 128 22335.44 ( 0.00%) 21765.91 * -2.55%*
> Hmean 256 20274.37 ( 0.00%) 21505.92 * 6.07%*
> Hmean 320 20709.22 ( 0.00%) 20733.21 * 0.12%*
>
> Mix of gains and losses, higher system CPU usage
>
> 2-socket Broadwell
> 5.13.0-rc1 5.13.0-rc1
> vanilla sched-wakeidler-v3r1
> Hmean 1 438.53 ( 0.00%) 447.02 * 1.94%*
> Hmean 2 835.80 ( 0.00%) 786.98 * -5.84%*
> Hmean 4 1527.05 ( 0.00%) 1436.70 * -5.92%*
> Hmean 8 2952.17 ( 0.00%) 2806.30 * -4.94%*
> Hmean 16 5237.13 ( 0.00%) 5191.26 * -0.88%*
> Hmean 32 9222.13 ( 0.00%) 9004.89 * -2.36%*
> Hmean 64 10805.29 ( 0.00%) 10342.93 * -4.28%*
> Hmean 128 18469.14 ( 0.00%) 17522.78 * -5.12%*
> Hmean 256 16641.85 ( 0.00%) 16278.08 * -2.19%*
> Hmean 320 16623.42 ( 0.00%) 16521.47 * -0.61%*
>
> Mostly small losses, slight increase CPU usage
>
> 2-soocket Zen1
>
> tbench4
> 5.13.0-rc1 5.13.0-rc1
> vanilla sched-wakeidler-v3r1
> Hmean 1 220.27 ( 0.00%) 218.67 * -0.73%*
> Hmean 2 455.18 ( 0.00%) 430.82 * -5.35%*
> Hmean 4 845.38 ( 0.00%) 887.05 * 4.93%*
> Hmean 8 1645.02 ( 0.00%) 1563.07 * -4.98%*
> Hmean 16 3109.18 ( 0.00%) 3074.53 * -1.11%*
> Hmean 32 4854.40 ( 0.00%) 5167.61 * 6.45%*
> Hmean 64 10793.06 ( 0.00%) 7767.98 * -28.03%*
> Hmean 128 12398.50 ( 0.00%) 15067.49 * 21.53%*
> Hmean 256 16756.69 ( 0.00%) 11214.53 * -33.07%*
> Hmean 512 10186.47 ( 0.00%) 15159.09 * 48.82%*
>
> Two substantial losses, one substantial gain
>
> 2-socket Zen2
> tbench4
> 5.13.0-rc1 5.13.0-rc1
> vanilla sched-wakeidler-v3r1
> Hmean 1 341.84 ( 0.00%) 337.45 * -1.28%*
> Hmean 2 675.90 ( 0.00%) 659.10 * -2.49%*
> Hmean 4 1312.66 ( 0.00%) 1250.00 * -4.77%*
> Hmean 8 2495.62 ( 0.00%) 2386.57 * -4.37%*
> Hmean 16 4237.23 ( 0.00%) 4835.29 * 14.11%*
> Hmean 32 8505.60 ( 0.00%) 8428.12 * -0.91%*
> Hmean 64 22452.58 ( 0.00%) 20637.45 * -8.08%*
> Hmean 128 32493.62 ( 0.00%) 27491.73 * -15.39%*
> Hmean 256 40975.73 ( 0.00%) 29466.08 * -28.09%*
> Hmean 512 39320.56 ( 0.00%) 34480.84 * -12.31%*
>
> Some major losses, one major gain
>
> 2-socket Zen3
> tbench4
> 5.13.0-rc1 5.13.0-rc1
> vanilla sched-wakeidler-v3r1
> Hmean 1 764.71 ( 0.00%) 771.17 * 0.85%*
> Hmean 2 1536.93 ( 0.00%) 1504.18 * -2.13%*
> Hmean 4 2836.19 ( 0.00%) 2805.02 * -1.10%*
> Hmean 8 4726.61 ( 0.00%) 4762.61 * 0.76%*
> Hmean 16 8341.73 ( 0.00%) 8183.48 * -1.90%*
> Hmean 32 14446.04 ( 0.00%) 13628.25 * -5.66%*
> Hmean 64 21852.72 ( 0.00%) 24039.33 * 10.01%*
> Hmean 128 27674.40 ( 0.00%) 29107.56 * 5.18%*
> Hmean 256 42985.16 ( 0.00%) 36482.84 * -15.13%*
> Hmean 512 50210.59 ( 0.00%) 40899.44 * -18.54%*
> Hmean 1024 63696.89 ( 0.00%) 46715.28 * -26.66%*
>
> Some major losses, one big gain
I have looked at the data and I am trying to analyze what all things can be
done differently.
But thanks again for the feedback.
>
> --
> Mel Gorman
> SUSE Labs
--
Thanks and Regards
Srikar Dronamraju
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