linux-kernel - Re: [RFC] /dev/ioasid uAPI proposal

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Message-ID: <9a5b6675-e21a-cf62-6ea1-66c07e73e3ae@metux.net>
Date:   Tue, 8 Jun 2021 10:54:59 +0200
From:   "Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" <lkml@...ux.net>
To:     Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com>, Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@...dia.com>
Cc:     Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@...hat.com>,
        "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@...el.com>,
        Jean-Philippe Brucker <jean-philippe@...aro.org>,
        "Jiang, Dave" <dave.jiang@...el.com>,
        "Raj, Ashok" <ashok.raj@...el.com>,
        "kvm@...r.kernel.org" <kvm@...r.kernel.org>,
        Jonathan Corbet <corbet@....net>,
        Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@....com>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        "iommu@...ts.linux-foundation.org" <iommu@...ts.linux-foundation.org>,
        David Gibson <david@...son.dropbear.id.au>,
        Kirti Wankhede <kwankhede@...dia.com>,
        David Woodhouse <dwmw2@...radead.org>,
        Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@...hat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] /dev/ioasid uAPI proposal

On 08.06.21 03:00, Jason Wang wrote:

Hi folks,

> Just to make sure we are in the same page. What I meant is, if the DMA 
> behavior like (no-snoop) is device specific. There's no need to mandate 
> a virtio general attributes. We can describe it per device. The devices 
> implemented in the current spec does not use non-coherent DMA doesn't 
> mean any future devices won't do that. The driver could choose to use 
> transport (e.g PCI), platform (ACPI) or device specific (general virtio 
> command) way to detect and flush cache when necessary.

Maybe I've totally misunderstood the whole issue, but what I've learned
to far:

* it's a performance improvement for certain scenarios
* whether it can be used depends on the devices as well as the
   underlying transport (combination of both)
* whether it should be used (when possible) can only be decided by the
   driver

Correct ?

I tend to believe that's something that virtio infrastructure should
handle in a generic way.

Maybe the device as well as the transport could announce their
capability (which IMHO should go via the virtio protocol), and if both
are capable, the (guest's) virtio subsys tells the driver whether it's
usable for a specific device. Perhaps we should also have a mechanism
to tell the device that it's actually used.


Sorry, if i'm completely on the wrong page and just talking junk here :o


--mtx

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