linux-kernel - Re: [RFC] /dev/ioasid uAPI proposal

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Date:   Thu, 17 Jun 2021 12:42:31 +1000
From:   David Gibson <david@...son.dropbear.id.au>
To:     Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@...dia.com>
Cc:     "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@...el.com>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Joerg Roedel <joro@...tes.org>,
        Lu Baolu <baolu.lu@...ux.intel.com>,
        David Woodhouse <dwmw2@...radead.org>,
        "iommu@...ts.linux-foundation.org" <iommu@...ts.linux-foundation.org>,
        "kvm@...r.kernel.org" <kvm@...r.kernel.org>,
        "Alex Williamson (alex.williamson@...hat.com)" 
        <alex.williamson@...hat.com>, Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com>,
        Eric Auger <eric.auger@...hat.com>,
        Jonathan Corbet <corbet@....net>,
        "Raj, Ashok" <ashok.raj@...el.com>,
        "Liu, Yi L" <yi.l.liu@...el.com>, "Wu, Hao" <hao.wu@...el.com>,
        "Jiang, Dave" <dave.jiang@...el.com>,
        Jacob Pan <jacob.jun.pan@...ux.intel.com>,
        Jean-Philippe Brucker <jean-philippe@...aro.org>,
        Kirti Wankhede <kwankhede@...dia.com>,
        Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@....com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] /dev/ioasid uAPI proposal

On Tue, Jun 08, 2021 at 04:04:06PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 08, 2021 at 10:53:02AM +1000, David Gibson wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 03, 2021 at 08:52:24AM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jun 03, 2021 at 03:13:44PM +1000, David Gibson wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > We can still consider it a single "address space" from the IOMMU
> > > > > perspective. What has happened is that the address table is not just a
> > > > > 64 bit IOVA, but an extended ~80 bit IOVA formed by "PASID, IOVA".
> > > > 
> > > > True.  This does complexify how we represent what IOVA ranges are
> > > > valid, though.  I'll bet you most implementations don't actually
> > > > implement a full 64-bit IOVA, which means we effectively have a large
> > > > number of windows from (0..max IOVA) for each valid pasid.  This adds
> > > > another reason I don't think my concept of IOVA windows is just a
> > > > power specific thing.
> > > 
> > > Yes
> > > 
> > > Things rapidly get into weird hardware specific stuff though, the
> > > request will be for things like:
> > >   "ARM PASID&IO page table format from SMMU IP block vXX"
> > 
> > So, I'm happy enough for picking a user-managed pagetable format to
> > imply the set of valid IOVA ranges (though a query might be nice).
> 
> I think a query is mandatory, and optionally asking for ranges seems
> generally useful as a HW property.
> 
> The danger is things can get really tricky as the app can ask for
> ranges some HW needs but other HW can't provide. 
> 
> I would encourage a flow where "generic" apps like DPDK can somehow
> just ignore this, or at least be very, very simplified "I want around
> XX GB of IOVA space"
> 
> dpdk type apps vs qemu apps are really quite different and we should
> be carefully that the needs of HW accelerated vIOMMU emulation do not
> trump the needs of simple universal control over a DMA map.

Agreed.

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