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Date:   Fri, 9 Jul 2021 15:04:47 +0900
From:   David Stevens <stevensd@...omium.org>
To:     Lu Baolu <baolu.lu@...ux.intel.com>
Cc:     Joerg Roedel <joro@...tes.org>, Will Deacon <will@...nel.org>,
        Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@...omium.org>,
        iommu@...ts.linux-foundation.org,
        David Stevens <stevensd@...gle.com>,
        Christoph Hellwig <hch@....de>,
        open list <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] Add dynamic iommu backed bounce buffers

On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 10:38 PM Lu Baolu <baolu.lu@...ux.intel.com> wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>
> I like this idea. Thanks for proposing this.
>
> On 2021/7/7 15:55, David Stevens wrote:
> > Add support for per-domain dynamic pools of iommu bounce buffers to the
> > dma-iommu API. This allows iommu mappings to be reused while still
> > maintaining strict iommu protection. Allocating buffers dynamically
> > instead of using swiotlb carveouts makes per-domain pools more amenable
> > on systems with large numbers of devices or where devices are unknown.
>
> Have you ever considered leveraging the per-device swiotlb memory pool
> added by below series?
>
> https://lore.kernel.org/linux-iommu/20210625123004.GA3170@willie-the-truck/

I'm not sure if that's a good fit. The swiotlb pools are allocated
during device initialization, so they require setting aside the
worst-case amount of memory. That's okay if you only use it with a
small number of devices where you know in advance approximately how
much memory they use. However, it doesn't work as well if you want to
use it with a large number of devices, or with unknown (i.e.
hotplugged) devices.

> >
> > When enabled, all non-direct streaming mappings below a configurable
> > size will go through bounce buffers. Note that this means drivers which
> > don't properly use the DMA API (e.g. i915) cannot use an iommu when this
> > feature is enabled. However, all drivers which work with swiotlb=force
> > should work.
>
> If so, why not making it more scalable by adding a callback into vendor
> iommu drivers? The vendor iommu drivers have enough information to tell
> whether the bounce buffer is feasible for a specific domain.

I'm not very familiar with the specifics of VT-d or restrictions with
the graphics hardware, but at least on the surface it looks like a
limitation of the i915 driver's implementation. The driver uses the
DMA_ATTR_SKIP_CPU_SYNC flag, but never calls the dma_sync functions,
since things are coherent on x86 hardware. However, bounce buffers
violate the driver's assumption that there's no need to sync the CPU
and device domain. I doubt there's an inherent limitation of the
hardware here, it's just how the driver is implemented. Given that, I
don't know if it's something the iommu driver needs to handle.

One potential way this could be addressed would be to add explicit
support to the DMA API for long-lived streaming mappings. Drivers can
get that behavior today via DMA_ATTR_SKIP_CPU_SYNC and dma_sync.
However, the DMA API doesn't really have enough information to treat
ephemeral and long-lived mappings differently. With a new DMA_ATTR
flag for long-lived streaming mappings, the DMA API could skip bounce
buffers. That flag could also be used as a performance optimization in
the various dma-buf implementations, since they seem to mostly fall
into the long-lived streaming category (the handful I checked do call
dma_sync, so there isn't a correctness issue).

-David

> >
> > Bounce buffers serve as an optimization in situations where interactions
> > with the iommu are very costly. For example, virtio-iommu operations in
>
> The simulated IOMMU does the same thing.
>
> It's also an optimization for bare metal in cases where the strict mode
> of cache invalidation is used. CPU moving data is faster than IOMMU
> cache invalidation if the buffer is small.
>
> Best regards,
> baolu

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