linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v3] vm_swappiness=0 should still try to avoid swapping anon memory

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Date:   Tue, 10 Aug 2021 15:29:14 -0700
From:   Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@...gle.com>
To:     Nico Pache <npache@...hat.com>
Cc:     Johannes Weiner <hannes@...xchg.org>,
        Linux MM <linux-mm@...ck.org>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Rafael Aquini <aquini@...hat.com>,
        Waiman Long <llong@...hat.com>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@...e.com>,
        hakavlad@...ox.lv
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] vm_swappiness=0 should still try to avoid swapping
 anon memory

On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 3:16 PM Nico Pache <npache@...hat.com> wrote:
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>
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> On 8/10/21 5:17 PM, Shakeel Butt wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 12:24 PM Nico Pache <npache@...hat.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> > [...]
> >>>
> >>> I'm wondering how you're getting anon scans with swappiness=0. If you
> >>> look at get_scan_count(), SCAN_FRACT with swappines=0 should always
> >>> result in ap = fraction[0] = 0, which never yields any anon scan
> >>> targets. So I'm thinking you're running into sc->file_is_tiny
> >>> situations, meaning remaining file pages alone are not enough to
> >>> restore watermarks anymore. Is that possible?
> >>
> >> Yes DEACTIVATE_ANON is enabling the file_is_tiny case in shrink_node(). That is what im trying to prevent in the swappiness=0 case.
> >>
> >
> > Can you please explain how DEACTIVATE_ANON is enabling the file_is_tiny case?
>
>
> You're right. Just did a second pass... I misinterpreted the assignment to
> file_is_tiny. This is not the case that is causing the issue. So back to the
> SCAN_FRACT case. From my testing the refaulting still seems to be causing the
> issue; however, to your point in earlier discussions, if swappiness=0 then the
> get_scan_count *should* be 0.
> So my patch does solve the issue by preventing the shrink_list from deactivating
> the anon, but it may be hiding some other issue that is the ultimate cause.
>

Yes, I am suspecting the same. BTW which kernel version are you testing with?