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Date:   Tue, 10 Aug 2021 09:41:20 +0200
From:   Ahmad Fatoum <>
To:     Eric Biggers <>
Cc:     "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <>,
        Jaegeuk Kim <>,,
        Jarkko Sakkinen <>,
        James Morris <>,
        "Serge E. Hallyn" <>,
        James Bottomley <>,
        Mimi Zohar <>,
        Sumit Garg <>,
        David Howells <>,,,,,,
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] fscrypt: support trusted keys

Hello Eric,

On 09.08.21 23:24, Eric Biggers wrote:
> Hi Ahmad,
> This generally looks okay, but I have some comments below.
> On Fri, Aug 06, 2021 at 05:09:28PM +0200, Ahmad Fatoum wrote:
>> Kernel trusted keys don't require userspace knowledge of the raw key
>> material and instead export a sealed blob, which can be persisted to
>> unencrypted storage. Userspace can then load this blob into the kernel,
>> where it's unsealed and from there on usable for kernel crypto.
> Please be explicit about where and how the keys get generated in this case.

I intentionally avoided talking about this. You see, the trusted key documentation[1]
phrases it as "all keys are created in the kernel", but you consider
"'The key material is generated
 within the kernel' [a] misleading claim'. [2]

Also, I hope patches to force kernel RNG and CAAM support (using kernel RNG as
default) will soon be accepted, which would invalidate any further claims in the
commit message without a means to correct them.

I thus restricted my commit message to the necessary bit that are needed to
understand the patch, which is: userspace knowledge of the key material is
not required. If you disagree, could you provide me the text you'd prefer?

>> This is incompatible with fscrypt, where userspace is supposed to supply
>> the raw key material. For TPMs, a work around is to do key unsealing in
>> userspace, but this may not be feasible for other trusted key backends.
> As far as I can see, "Key unsealing in userspace" actually is the preferred way
> to implement TPM-bound encryption.  So it doesn't seem fair to call it a "work
> around".

In the context of *kernel trusted keys*, direct interaction with the TPM
outside the kernel to decrypt a kernel-encrypted blob is surely not the
preferred way.

For TPM-bound encryption completely in userspace? Maybe. But that's not
what this patch is about. It's about kernel trusted keys and offloading
part of its functionality to userspace to _work around_ lack of kernel-side
integration is exactly that: a _work around_.

>> +  Most users leave this 0 and specify the raw key directly.
>> +  "trusted" keys are useful to leverage kernel support for sealing
>> +  and unsealing key material. Sealed keys can be persisted to
>> +  unencrypted storage and later be used to decrypt the file system
>> +  without requiring userspace to have knowledge of the raw key
>> +  material.
>> +  "fscrypt-provisioning" key support is intended mainly to allow
>> +  re-adding keys after a filesystem is unmounted and re-mounted,
>>    without having to store the raw keys in userspace memory.
>>  - ``raw`` is a variable-length field which must contain the actual
>>    key, ``raw_size`` bytes long.  Alternatively, if ``key_id`` is
>>    nonzero, then this field is unused.
>> +.. note::
>> +
>> +   Users should take care not to reuse the fscrypt key material with
>> +   different ciphers or in multiple contexts as this may make it
>> +   easier to deduce the key.
>> +   This also applies when the key material is supplied indirectly
>> +   via a kernel trusted key. In this case, the trusted key should
>> +   perferably be used only in a single context.
> Again, please be explicit about key generation.  Note that key generation is
> already discussed in a different section, "Master Keys".  There should be a
> mention of trusted keys there.  The above note about not reusing keys probably
> belongs there too.  (The section you're editing here is
> "FS_IOC_ADD_ENCRYPTION_KEY", which is primarily intended to just document the
> ioctl, so it's not necessarily the best place for this type of information.)

Yes. The content of the note is more appropriate there.

>> @@ -577,28 +578,44 @@ static int get_keyring_key(u32 key_id, u32 type,
>>  	key_ref_t ref;
>>  	struct key *key;
>>  	const struct fscrypt_provisioning_key_payload *payload;
>> -	int err;
>> +	int err = 0;
>>  	ref = lookup_user_key(key_id, 0, KEY_NEED_SEARCH);
>>  	if (IS_ERR(ref))
>>  		return PTR_ERR(ref);
>>  	key = key_ref_to_ptr(ref);
>> -	if (key->type != &key_type_fscrypt_provisioning)
>> -		goto bad_key;
>> -	payload = key->[0];
>> +	if (key->type == &key_type_fscrypt_provisioning) {
> This function is getting long; it probably should be broken this up into several
> functions.  E.g.:

Will do for v3.

> static int get_keyring_key(u32 key_id, u32 type,
>                            struct fscrypt_master_key_secret *secret)
> {
>         key_ref_t ref;
>         struct key *key;
>         int err;
>         ref = lookup_user_key(key_id, 0, KEY_NEED_SEARCH);
>         if (IS_ERR(ref))
>                 return PTR_ERR(ref);
>         key = key_ref_to_ptr(ref);
>         if (key->type == &key_type_fscrypt_provisioning) {
>                 err = fscrypt_get_provisioning_key(key, type, secret);
>         } else if (IS_REACHABLE(CONFIG_TRUSTED_KEYS) &&
>                    key->type == &key_type_trusted) {
>                 err = fscrypt_get_trusted_key(key, secret);
>         } else {
>                 err = -EKEYREJECTED;
>         }
>         key_ref_put(ref);
>         return err;
> }
>> +		/* Don't allow fscrypt v1 keys to be used as v2 keys and vice versa. */
> Please avoid overly-long lines.

For v3 with helper functions, there will be one indentation level less,
so this will be less 79 again instead of 87.

>> +		tkp = key->[0];
>> +		if (!tkp || tkp->key_len < FSCRYPT_MIN_KEY_SIZE ||
>> +		    tkp->key_len > FSCRYPT_MAX_KEY_SIZE) {
>> +			up_read(&key->sem);
>> +			err = -EINVAL;
>> +			goto out_put;
>> +		}
> What does the !tkp case mean?  For "user" and "logon" keys it means "key
> revoked", but the "trusted" key type doesn't implement revoke.  Is this included
> just to be safe?

Oh, good point. I think I cargo-culted it off encrypted key support for
eCryptfs and dm-crypt. Encrypted keys don't support revoke either..

That might be reasonable, but perhaps the error code in that
> case (but not the invalid length cases) should be -EKEYREVOKED instead?

Yes. It was like this for v1, but I missed it when dropping the
dependency on the key_extract_material patch. Will fix for v3.


Cheers and thanks for the review,

> - Eric

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