linux-kernel - IIO, dmabuf, io

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Date:   Fri, 13 Aug 2021 13:41:26 +0200
From:   Paul Cercueil <paul@...pouillou.net>
To:     Jonathan Cameron <jic23@...nel.org>,
        Sumit Semwal <sumit.semwal@...aro.org>,
        Christian König <christian.koenig@....com>,
        Christoph Hellwig <hch@....de>
Cc:     linux-iio@...r.kernel.org, io-uring@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-media@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        Michael Hennerich <Michael.Hennerich@...log.com>,
        Alexandru Ardelean <ardeleanalex@...il.com>
Subject: IIO, dmabuf, io_uring

Hi,

A few months ago we (ADI) tried to upstream the interface we use with 
our high-speed ADCs and DACs. It is a system with custom ioctls on the 
iio device node to dequeue and enqueue buffers (allocated with 
dma_alloc_coherent), that can then be mmap'd by userspace applications. 
Anyway, it was ultimately denied entry [1]; this API was okay in ~2014 
when it was designed but it feels like re-inventing the wheel in 2021.

Back to the drawing table, and we'd like to design something that we 
can actually upstream. This high-speed interface looks awfully similar 
to DMABUF, so we may try to implement a DMABUF interface for IIO, 
unless someone has a better idea.

Our first usecase is, we want userspace applications to be able to 
dequeue buffers of samples (from ADCs), and/or enqueue buffers of 
samples (for DACs), and to be able to manipulate them (mmapped 
buffers). With a DMABUF interface, I guess the userspace application 
would dequeue a dma buffer from the driver, mmap it, read/write the 
data, unmap it, then enqueue it to the IIO driver again so that it can 
be disposed of. Does that sound sane?

Our second usecase is - and that's where things get tricky - to be able 
to stream the samples to another computer for processing, over Ethernet 
or USB. Our typical setup is a high-speed ADC/DAC on a dev board with a 
FPGA and a weak soft-core or low-power CPU; processing the data in-situ 
is not an option. Copying the data from one buffer to another is not an 
option either (way too slow), so we absolutely want zero-copy.

Usual userspace zero-copy techniques (vmsplice+splice, MSG_ZEROCOPY 
etc) don't really work with mmapped kernel buffers allocated for DMA 
[2] and/or have a huge overhead, so the way I see it, we would also 
need DMABUF support in both the Ethernet stack and USB (functionfs) 
stack. However, as far as I understood, DMABUF is mostly a DRM/V4L2 
thing, so I am really not sure we have the right idea here.

And finally, there is the new kid in town, io_uring. I am not very 
literate about the topic, but it does not seem to be able to handle DMA 
buffers (yet?). The idea that we could dequeue a buffer of samples from 
the IIO device and send it over the network in one single syscall is 
appealing, though.

Any thoughts? Feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,
-Paul

[1]: 
https://lore.kernel.org/linux-iio/20210217073638.21681-1-alexandru.ardelean@analog.com/T/#m6b853addb77959c55e078fbb06828db33d4bf3d7
[2]: 
https://newbedev.com/zero-copy-user-space-tcp-send-of-dma-mmap-coherent-mapped-memory