linux-kernel - RE: [PATCH v1 0/7] Remove in-tree usage of MAP

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Date:   Sat, 14 Aug 2021 19:52:02 +0000
From:   David Laight <David.Laight@...LAB.COM>
To:     'Linus Torvalds' <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>
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Subject: RE: [PATCH v1 0/7] Remove in-tree usage of MAP_DENYWRITE

From: Linus Torvalds
> Sent: 14 August 2021 01:55
> 
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 2:49 PM Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org> wrote:
> >
> > I’ll bite.  How about we attack this in the opposite direction: remove the deny write mechanism
> entirely.
> 
> I think that would be ok, except I can see somebody relying on it.
> 
> It's broken, it's stupid, but we've done that ETXTBUSY for a _loong_ time.

I think ETXTBUSY predates Linux itself.
But I can't remember whether the elf versions of sunos or svr4
implemented it for shared libraries.
I don't remember hitting it, so they may not have.

I'm actually surprised it ia an mmap() flag rather than an open() one.
Being able to open a file and guarantee it can't be changed seems a sane idea.
And not just for programs/libraries.

By the sound of it 'immutable' is no use.
You need to be able to unlink the file - otherwise you get into the
window's fiasco of not being able to update without 17 reboots.

FWIW MAP_COPY would only need to take one copy of the page - all the
users could share the same page (backed by a single page of swap).
Not that I'm suggesting it is a good idea at all.

I do wonder about /proc/self/exe though.
It gave the NetBSD Linux emulation a terrible problem.
Being able to open the inode of the program is fine.
The problem is the what readlink() returns - it is basically stale.
If a program open the link contents it could get anything at all.

	David

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