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Date:   Mon, 23 Aug 2021 08:54:59 +0200
From:   Lukas Bulwahn <lukas.bulwahn@...il.com>
To:     Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@...hat.com>
Cc:     Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@...nel.org>,
        Tomas Winkler <tomas.winkler@...el.com>,
        Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>,
        Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@...gle.com>, linux-pci@...r.kernel.org,
        Ionel-Catalin Mititelu <ionel-catalin.mititelu@...el.com>,
        Jiri Kosina <jikos@...nel.org>,
        Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mei: improve Denverton HSM & IFSI support

On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 7:04 PM Alex Williamson
<alex.williamson@...hat.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 18:25:04 +0200
> Lukas Bulwahn <lukas.bulwahn@...il.com> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 5:45 PM Alex Williamson
> > <alex.williamson@...hat.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 10:28:21 +0200
> > > Lukas Bulwahn <lukas.bulwahn@...il.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 10:10 PM Alex Williamson
> > > > <alex.williamson@...hat.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 10:07:03 -0500
> > > > > Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@...nel.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > [+cc Alex]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 04:51:14PM +0200, Lukas Bulwahn wrote:
> > > > > > > The Intel Denverton chip provides HSM & IFSI. In order to access
> > > > > > > HSM & IFSI at the same time, provide two HECI hardware IDs for accessing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Suggested-by: Ionel-Catalin Mititelu <ionel-catalin.mititelu@...el.com>
> > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Lukas Bulwahn <lukas.bulwahn@...il.com>
> > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > Tomas, please pick this quick helpful extension for the hardware.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  drivers/misc/mei/hw-me-regs.h | 3 ++-
> > > > > > >  drivers/misc/mei/pci-me.c     | 1 +
> > > > > > >  drivers/pci/quirks.c          | 3 +++
> > > > > > >  3 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > diff --git a/drivers/misc/mei/hw-me-regs.h b/drivers/misc/mei/hw-me-regs.h
> > > > > > > index cb34925e10f1..c1c41912bb72 100644
> > > > > > > --- a/drivers/misc/mei/hw-me-regs.h
> > > > > > > +++ b/drivers/misc/mei/hw-me-regs.h
> > > > > > > @@ -68,7 +68,8 @@
> > > > > > >  #define MEI_DEV_ID_BXT_M      0x1A9A  /* Broxton M */
> > > > > > >  #define MEI_DEV_ID_APL_I      0x5A9A  /* Apollo Lake I */
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -#define MEI_DEV_ID_DNV_IE     0x19E5  /* Denverton IE */
> > > > > > > +#define MEI_DEV_ID_DNV_IE  0x19E5  /* Denverton for HECI1 - IFSI */
> > > > > > > +#define MEI_DEV_ID_DNV_IE_2        0x19E6  /* Denverton 2 for HECI2 - HSM */
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  #define MEI_DEV_ID_GLK        0x319A  /* Gemini Lake */
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > diff --git a/drivers/misc/mei/pci-me.c b/drivers/misc/mei/pci-me.c
> > > > > > > index c3393b383e59..30827cd2a1c2 100644
> > > > > > > --- a/drivers/misc/mei/pci-me.c
> > > > > > > +++ b/drivers/misc/mei/pci-me.c
> > > > > > > @@ -77,6 +77,7 @@ static const struct pci_device_id mei_me_pci_tbl[] = {
> > > > > > >     {MEI_PCI_DEVICE(MEI_DEV_ID_APL_I, MEI_ME_PCH8_CFG)},
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >     {MEI_PCI_DEVICE(MEI_DEV_ID_DNV_IE, MEI_ME_PCH8_CFG)},
> > > > > > > +   {MEI_PCI_DEVICE(MEI_DEV_ID_DNV_IE_2, MEI_ME_PCH8_SPS_CFG)},
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >     {MEI_PCI_DEVICE(MEI_DEV_ID_GLK, MEI_ME_PCH8_CFG)},
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > diff --git a/drivers/pci/quirks.c b/drivers/pci/quirks.c
> > > > > > > index 6899d6b198af..2ab767ef8469 100644
> > > > > > > --- a/drivers/pci/quirks.c
> > > > > > > +++ b/drivers/pci/quirks.c
> > > > > > > @@ -4842,6 +4842,9 @@ static const struct pci_dev_acs_enabled {
> > > > > > >     { PCI_VENDOR_ID_INTEL, 0x15b7, pci_quirk_mf_endpoint_acs },
> > > > > > >     { PCI_VENDOR_ID_INTEL, 0x15b8, pci_quirk_mf_endpoint_acs },
> > > > > > >     { PCI_VENDOR_ID_INTEL, PCI_ANY_ID, pci_quirk_rciep_acs },
> > > > > > > +   /* Denverton */
> > > > > > > +   { PCI_VENDOR_ID_INTEL, 0x19e5, pci_quirk_mf_endpoint_acs },
> > > > > > > +   { PCI_VENDOR_ID_INTEL, 0x19e6, pci_quirk_mf_endpoint_acs },
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This looks like it should be a separate patch with a commit log that
> > > > > > explains it.  For example, see these:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >   db2f77e2bd99 ("PCI: Add ACS quirk for Broadcom BCM57414 NIC")
> > > > > >   3247bd10a450 ("PCI: Add ACS quirk for Intel Root Complex Integrated Endpoints")
> > > > > >   299bd044a6f3 ("PCI: Add ACS quirk for Zhaoxin Root/Downstream Ports")
> > > > > >   0325837c51cb ("PCI: Add ACS quirk for Zhaoxin multi-function devices")
> > > > > >   76e67e9e0f0f ("PCI: Add ACS quirk for Amazon Annapurna Labs root ports")
> > > > > >   46b2c32df7a4 ("PCI: Add ACS quirk for iProc PAXB")
> > > > > >   01926f6b321b ("PCI: Add ACS quirk for HXT SD4800")
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It should be acked by somebody at Intel since this quirk relies on
> > > > > > behavior of the device for VM security.
> > > > >
> > > > > +1 Thanks Bjorn.  I got curious and AFAICT these functions are the
> > > > > interface for the host system to communicate with "Innovation Engine"
> > > > > processors within the SoC, which seem to be available for system
> > > > > builders to innovate and differentiate system firmware features.  I'm
> > > > > not sure then how we can assume a specific interface ("HSM" or "IFSI",
> > > > > whatever those are) for each function, nor of course how we can assume
> > > > > isolation between them.  Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Alex, I got a Denverton hardware with Innovation Engine and the
> > > > specific system firmware (basically delivered from Intel). To make use
> > > > of that hardware, someone at Intel suggested adding these PCI ACS
> > > > quirks. It is unclear to me if there are various different Denverton
> > > > systems out there (I only got one!) with many different system
> > > > firmware variants for the Innovation Engine or if there is just one
> > > > Denverton with IE support and with one firmware from Intel, i.e., the
> > > > one I got.
> > > >
> > > > If there is only one or two variants of the Denverton with Innovation
> > > > Engine firmware out there, then we could add this ACS quirk here
> > > > unconditionally (basically assuming that if the other firmware is
> > > > there, the IE would just do the right thing, e.g., deny any operation
> > > > for a non-existing firmware function), right? Just adding a commit
> > > > similar to the commits Bjorn pointed out above. Otherwise, we would
> > > > need to make that conditional for possible different variants, but I
> > > > would need a bit more guidance from you on which other variants exist
> > > > and how one can differentiate between them.
> > >
> > > Hi Lukas,
> > >
> > > I'm looking at the C3000 datasheet, Intel document #337018-002, where I
> > > see:
> > >
> > > 1.2.7 Innovation Engine (IE)
> > >         ...
> > >         For the IE, the system builder can install an embedded
> > >         operating system, drivers and application they develop on their
> > >         own, or purchase them from a third-party vendor. Intel does not
> > >         provide operating systems, drivers or applications for the IE.
> > >
> >
> > Well, IMHO, my observation of what Intel provided to me clearly
> > contradicts that statement. It seems that Intel did provide an
> > operating system, driver and applications for the IE, and suggested
> > modifying/extending the kernel sources for that purpose beyond what
> > was already existing in the kernel tree, which already suggests by
> > itself that Intel has a specific driver and application for the IE in
> > mind.
>
> But in your case is Intel both the SoC vendor and system builder?  It's
> specifically noted below that Intel does not provide a complete IE FW
> solution to 3rd parties, regardless of any standardization that might
> (or might not) exist among Intel developed solutions based on this SoC.
> This doesn't contradict the datasheet.
>

I guess you are right: in my case, Intel is both a SoC vendor and
system builder. Unfortunately, I do not have much more information
from Intel on the technical specifics of what they did as system
builder that is not covered by the Intel Denverton C3000 data sheet,
though.

> > > 15.2.3.1 Interrupt Timer Sub System (ITSS)
> > >         ...
> > >         The Innovation Engine (IE) has a sideband connection to the
> > >         ITSS components.
> > >
> > > 16 Power Management Controller (PMC)
> > >         ...
> > >         16.2 Feature List
> > >                 ...
> > >                 • Interacts with the SoC Innovation Engine (IE)
> > >
> > > Table 16-4. Causes of SMI and SCI
> > >         ...
> > >         [IE can cause SMI or SCI]
> > >
> > > 16.10.1 Initiating State Changes when in the G0 (S0) Working State
> > >         ...
> > >         The Intel® Management Engine and Innovation Engine firmware
> > >         each has a mechanism to turn off a hung system similar to
> > > the Power-Button Override by writing bits in their power-management
> > >         control registers.
> > >
> > > And the apparent coup de grâce:
> > >
> > > 37 Innovation Engine
> > >         The Innovation Engine (IE) is an optional, complete,
> > > embedded engine intended to enable SoC customers to provide their
> > > own custom system management. This chapter provides a brief
> > >         overview of the IE. It is reserved for system-builder code,
> > > not for Intel firmware since Intel supplies IE hardware only. IE
> > >         activation is not required for normal system operation.
> > >         ...
> > >         IE is a completely optional feature, and is disabled by
> > > default in the silicon. It can be enabled by system builders and
> > > OEMs to run signed firmware created by the system builder or a third
> > >         party software vendor. IE is not like the Intel® Management
> > >         Engine (Intel® ME) where Intel provides the HW plus a
> > > complete FW solution. Intel only provides IE hardware (along with
> > >         collateral and tools enabling).
> > >
> > > For the HECI, I see:
> > >
> > > 37.3 Architectural Overview
> > >         ...
> > >         The devices exposed by the IE subsystem to the Host Root
> > > Space are:
> > >                 • HECI (1, 2 and 3) – These functions define the
> > >                   mechanism for host software and IE firmware to
> > >                   communicate. This device exposes three PCI
> > > functions to the host during PCI bus enumeration. The message
> > >                   format is OEM dependent and communication between
> > >                   host and IE subsystem takes place via circular
> > >                   buffers and control/status registers. This
> > > function supports host MSI, SMI and SCI# interrupt generation
> > >                   mechanisms.
> > >
> > >
> > > So I don't see how the datasheet supports that there's either any
> > > specific API defined per HECI interface or that these functions
> > > would ever be intended in a generic way for independent use of by a
> > > userspace driver or VM.  Perhaps with DMI or ACPI info an HECI
> > > could be associated to a specific vendor API, by why we'd describe
> > > them as using isolated IOMMU grouping is a complete mystery to me.
> > > Thanks,
> >
> > I agree with that mystery, but I do not know if I should rather trust
> > the Intel documentation you cite or simply the bits and pieces that
> > already landed in the kernel tree here for the Denverton IE.
> >
> > Am I right that we are basically stuck here without any further
> > explanation by somebody from Intel?
> >
> > Do I also get it right that:
> >
> > If we would trust the Intel documentation, we would not really see the
> > purpose of the existing line
> > MEI_PCI_DEVICE(MEI_DEV_ID_DNV_IE, MEI_ME_PCH8_CFG) in
> > drivers/misc/mei/pci-me.c, added with commit f7ee8ead151f ("mei: me:
> > add denverton innovation engine device IDs"), because that also
> > depends on the existence of a specific system-builder code?
>
> The existing entry was added by Tomas in commit f7ee8ead151f ("mei: me:
> add denverton innovation engine device IDs") which claims IE is an
> ME-like device which provides HW security offload.  I expect there is
> the ability to provide such an offload, but I'm afraid this was added
> relative to a specific implementation of IE that we really can't
> determine by the device ID alone according to the datasheet.
>
> I don't know the MEI code, does it further probe for a compatible
> software interface on these device IDs or are we likely to run into the
> weeds?
>
> I think we're stuck without some public comment from Intel.  I don't
> necessarily have high confidence in the existing entry.  Thanks,
>

Agree. All in all, we need some comments from Intel to understand and
confirm the existing entry and the proposed additions here.

Lukas

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