linux-kernel - Re: [GIT PULL] Memory folios for v5.15

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Date:   Tue, 24 Aug 2021 18:56:41 +0100
From:   Matthew Wilcox <willy@...radead.org>
To:     David Howells <dhowells@...hat.com>
Cc:     Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Johannes Weiner <hannes@...xchg.org>,
        Linux-MM <linux-mm@...ck.org>,
        linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] Memory folios for v5.15

On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 04:54:27PM +0100, David Howells wrote:
> One question does spring to mind, though: do filesystems even need to know
> about hardware pages at all?  They need to be able to access source data or a
> destination buffer, but that can be stitched together from disparate chunks
> that have nothing to do with pages (eg. iov_iter); they need access to the
> pagecache, and may need somewhere to cache pieces of information, and they
> need to be able to pass chunks of pagecache, data or bufferage to crypto
> (scatterlists) and I/O routines (bio, skbuff) - but can we hide "paginess"
> from filesystems?
> 
> The main point where this matters, at the moment, is, I think, mmap - but
> could more of that be handled transparently by the VM?

It really depends on the filesystem.  I just audited adfs, for example,
and there is literally nothing in there that cares about struct page.
It passes its arguments from ->readpage and ->writepage to
block_*_full_page(); it uses cont_write_begin() for its ->write_begin;
and it uses __set_page_dirty_buffers for its ->set_page_dirty.

Then there are filesystems like UFS which use struct page extensively in
its directory handling.  And NFS which uses struct page throughout.
Partly there's just better infrastructure for block-based filesystems
(which you're fixing) and partly NFS is trying to perform better than
a filesystem which exists for compatibility with a long-dead OS.

> > Because, as you say, head pages are the norm. And "folio" may be a
> > clever term, but it's not very natural. Certainly not at all as
> > intuitive or common as "page" as a name in the industry.
> 
> That's mostly because no one uses the term... yet, and that it's not commonly
> used.  I've got used to it in building on top of Willy's patches and have no
> problem with it - apart from the fact that I would expect something more like
> a plural or a collective noun ("sheaf" or "ream" maybe?) - but at least the
> name is similar in length to "page".
> 
> And it's handy for grepping ;-)

If the only thing standing between this patch and the merge is
s/folio/ream/g, I will do that.  All three options are equally greppable
(except for 'ream' as a substring of dream, stream, preamble, scream,
whereami, and typos for remain).