linux-kernel - Re: [GIT PULL] xfs: new code for 5.15

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Message-ID: <20210902174311.GG9942@magnolia>
Date:   Thu, 2 Sep 2021 10:43:11 -0700
From:   "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@...nel.org>
To:     Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
Cc:     Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        Dennis Zhou <dennis@...nel.org>, Tejun Heo <tj@...nel.org>,
        linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org>,
        linux-xfs <linux-xfs@...r.kernel.org>,
        Dave Chinner <david@...morbit.com>,
        Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Eric Sandeen <sandeen@...deen.net>,
        Christoph Hellwig <hch@....de>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] xfs: new code for 5.15

On Thu, Sep 02, 2021 at 08:47:42AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 2:18 PM Darrick J. Wong <djwong@...nel.org> wrote:
> >
> > As for new features: we now batch inode inactivations in percpu
> > background threads, which sharply decreases frontend thread wait time
> > when performing file deletions and should improve overall directory tree
> > deletion times.
> 
> So no complaints on this one, but I do have a reaction: we have a lot
> of these random CPU hotplug events, and XFS now added another one.
> 
> I don't see that as a problem, but just the _randomness_ of these
> callbacks makes me go "hmm". And that "enum cpuhp_state" thing isn't
> exactly a thing of beauty, and just makes me think there's something
> nasty going on.
> 
> For the new xfs usage, I really get the feeling that it's not that XFS
> actually cares about the CPU states, but that this is literally tied
> to just having percpu state allocated and active, and that maybe it
> would be sensible to have something more specific to that kind of use.

Correct -- we don't really care about cpu state at all; all xfs needs is
to push batched work items on a per-cpu list to another cpu when a cpu
goes offline.  I didn't see anything that looked like it handled that
kind of thing, so ... cpuhp_state it was. :/

> We have other things that are very similar in nature - like the page
> allocator percpu caches etc, which for very similar reasons want cpu
> dead/online notification.
> 
> I'm only throwing this out as a reaction to this - I'm not sure
> another interface would be good or worthwhile, but that "enum
> cpuhp_state" is ugly enough that I thought I'd rope in Thomas for CPU
> hotplug, and the percpu memory allocation people for comments.
> 
> IOW, just _maybe_ we would want to have some kind of callback model
> for "percpu_alloc()" and it being explicitly about allocations
> becoming available or going away, rather than about CPU state.
> 
> Comments?

Seems like a good fit for us, though I'll let Dave Chinner chime in
since he's the one with more per-cpu list patches coming up.

> > Lastly, with this release, two new features have graduated to supported
> > status: inode btree counters (for faster mounts), and support for dates
> > beyond Y2038.
> 
> Oh, I had thought Y2038 was already a non-issue for xfs. Silly me.

It's been a new feature in upstream for a year now.  We're merely taking
down the scary warnings that using this new code might result in a
subspace vortex opening in the skies or that all trains bound for
Moynihan end up on track 19 or wherever. ;)

--D

>               Linus