linux-kernel - Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] RDMA/umem: Change for rdma devices has not dma device

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Message-ID: <CANXvt5rYxr0xBrdbmqqKAV8ctCZaJrxEM7F0Hpt2k98wBvah7Q@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Fri, 10 Sep 2021 10:46:15 +0900
From:   Shunsuke Mie <mie@...l.co.jp>
To:     Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@...ll.ch>
Cc:     Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@...pe.ca>,
        Christian König <christian.koenig@....com>,
        Christoph Hellwig <hch@...radead.org>,
        Zhu Yanjun <zyjzyj2000@...il.com>,
        Alex Deucher <alexander.deucher@....com>,
        Doug Ledford <dledford@...hat.com>,
        Jianxin Xiong <jianxin.xiong@...el.com>,
        Leon Romanovsky <leon@...nel.org>,
        Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        linux-rdma <linux-rdma@...r.kernel.org>,
        Damian Hobson-Garcia <dhobsong@...l.co.jp>,
        Takanari Hayama <taki@...l.co.jp>,
        Tomohito Esaki <etom@...l.co.jp>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] RDMA/umem: Change for rdma devices has not dma device

2021年9月9日(木) 18:26 Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@...ll.ch>:
>
> On Thu, Sep 9, 2021 at 1:33 AM Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@...pe.ca> wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 08, 2021 at 09:22:37PM +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 3:33 PM Christian König <christian.koenig@....com> wrote:
> > > > Am 08.09.21 um 13:18 schrieb Jason Gunthorpe:
> > > > > On Wed, Sep 08, 2021 at 05:41:39PM +0900, Shunsuke Mie wrote:
> > > > >> 2021年9月8日(水) 16:20 Christoph Hellwig <hch@...radead.org>:
> > > > >>> On Wed, Sep 08, 2021 at 04:01:14PM +0900, Shunsuke Mie wrote:
> > > > >>>> Thank you for your comment.
> > > > >>>>> On Wed, Sep 08, 2021 at 03:16:09PM +0900, Shunsuke Mie wrote:
> > > > >>>>>> To share memory space using dma-buf, a API of the dma-buf requires dma
> > > > >>>>>> device, but devices such as rxe do not have a dma device. For those case,
> > > > >>>>>> change to specify a device of struct ib instead of the dma device.
> > > > >>>>> So if dma-buf doesn't actually need a device to dma map why do we ever
> > > > >>>>> pass the dma_device here?  Something does not add up.
> > > > >>>> As described in the dma-buf api guide [1], the dma_device is used by dma-buf
> > > > >>>> exporter to know the device buffer constraints of importer.
> > > > >>>> [1] https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flwn.net%2FArticles%2F489703%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7Cchristian.koenig%40amd.com%7C4d18470a94df4ed24c8108d972ba5591%7C3dd8961fe4884e608e11a82d994e183d%7C0%7C0%7C637666967356417448%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000&amp;sdata=ARwQyo%2BCjMohaNbyREofToHIj2bndL5L0HaU9cOrYq4%3D&amp;reserved=0
> > > > >>> Which means for rxe you'd also have to pass the one for the underlying
> > > > >>> net device.
> > > > >> I thought of that way too. In that case, the memory region is constrained by the
> > > > >> net device, but rxe driver copies data using CPU. To avoid the constraints, I
> > > > >> decided to use the ib device.
> > > > > Well, that is the whole problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > We can't mix the dmabuf stuff people are doing that doesn't fill in
> > > > > the CPU pages in the SGL with RXE - it is simply impossible as things
> > > > > currently are for RXE to acess this non-struct page memory.
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, agree that doesn't make much sense.
> > > >
> > > > When you want to access the data with the CPU then why do you want to
> > > > use DMA-buf in the first place?
> > > >
> > > > Please keep in mind that there is work ongoing to replace the sg table
> > > > with an DMA address array and so make the underlying struct page
> > > > inaccessible for importers.
> > >
> > > Also if you do have a dma-buf, you can just dma_buf_vmap() the buffer
> > > for cpu access. Which intentionally does not require any device. No
> > > idea why there's a dma_buf_attach involved. Now not all exporters
> > > support this, but that's fixable, and you must call
> > > dma_buf_begin/end_cpu_access for cache management if the allocation
> > > isn't cpu coherent. But it's all there, no need to apply hacks of
> > > allowing a wrong device or other fun things.
> >
> > Can rxe leave the vmap in place potentially forever?
>
> Yeah, it's like perma-pinning the buffer into system memory for
> non-p2p dma-buf sharing. We just squint and pretend that can't be
> abused too badly :-) On 32bit you'll run out of vmap space rather
> quickly, but that's not something anyone cares about here either. We
> have a bunch of more sw modesetting drivers in drm which use
> dma_buf_vmap() like this, so it's all fine.
> -Daniel
> --
> Daniel Vetter
> Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
> http://blog.ffwll.ch

Thanks for your comments.

In the first place, the CMA region cannot be used for RDMA because the
region has no struct page. In addition, some GPU drivers use CMA and share
the region as dma-buf. As a result, RDMA cannot transfer for the region. To
solve this problem, rxe dma-buf support is better I thought.

I'll consider and redesign the rxe dma-buf support using the dma_buf_vmap()
instead of the dma_buf_dynamic_attach().

Regards,
Shunsuke