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Date:   Fri, 1 Oct 2021 08:12:56 +0800
From:   Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@...il.com>
To:     Alan Stern <stern@...land.harvard.edu>
Cc:     "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...nel.org>,
        Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Dan Lustig <dlustig@...dia.com>, Will Deacon <will@...nel.org>,
        Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
        Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@...ux.intel.com>,
        Peter Anvin <hpa@...or.com>,
        Andrea Parri <parri.andrea@...il.com>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>,
        Vince Weaver <vincent.weaver@...ne.edu>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        Jiri Olsa <jolsa@...hat.com>,
        Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@...hat.com>,
        Stephane Eranian <eranian@...gle.com>, palmer@...belt.com,
        paul.walmsley@...ive.com, mpe@...erman.id.au
Subject: Re: [PATCH] tools/memory-model: Provide extra ordering for
 unlock+lock pair on the same CPU

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 04:46:34PM -0400, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 11:17:53AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 11:20:33AM -0400, Alan Stern wrote:
> > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 09:08:23PM +0800, Boqun Feng wrote:
> > > > A recent discussion[1] shows that we are in favor of strengthening the
> > > > ordering of unlock + lock on the same CPU: a unlock and a po-after lock
> > > > should provide the so-called RCtso ordering, that is a memory access S
> > > > po-before the unlock should be ordered against a memory access R
> > > > po-after the lock, unless S is a store and R is a load.
> > > > 
> > > > The strengthening meets programmers' expection that "sequence of two
> > > > locked regions to be ordered wrt each other" (from Linus), and can
> > > > reduce the mental burden when using locks. Therefore add it in LKMM.
> > > > 
> > > > [1]: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20210909185937.GA12379@rowland.harvard.edu/
> > > > 
> > > > Co-developed-by: Alan Stern <stern@...land.harvard.edu>
> > > > Signed-off-by: Alan Stern <stern@...land.harvard.edu>
> > > > Signed-off-by: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@...il.com>
> > > > ---
> > > > Alan,
> > > > 
> > > > I added the "Co-developed-by" and "Signed-off-by" tags since most of the
> > > > work is done by you. Feel free to let me know if you want to change
> > > > anything.
> > > 
> > > It looks good to me.  However, do we really want to add these litmus
> > > tests to the kernel source, or would it be better to keep them with
> > > the thousands of other tests in Paul's archives?
> > 
> > Either way works for me.  But if they are referred to from within the
> > kernel, it is best to have them in the kernel source.  Which might be seen
> > as a reason to minimize referring to litmus tests from the kernel.  ;-)
> 
> In this case the litmus tests are not referred to within the kernel 
> source.
> 

I'm OK to drop the litmus tests, but the reason I add the two litmus
tests is that they directly describe one of our memory model rules. The
two litmus tests tells developers "you can use unlock+lock on the same
CPU to order READ->WRITE or WRITE->WRITE", so they are kind of part of
the manual of our memory model. Thoughts?

Regards,
Boqun


> Alan

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