linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 0/9] Dynamic DT device nodes

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Message-ID: <YV/Z8mSCxhk3rD8Z@kroah.com>
Date:   Fri, 8 Oct 2021 07:41:06 +0200
From:   Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>
To:     Rob Herring <robh+dt@...nel.org>
Cc:     Zev Weiss <zev@...ilderbeest.net>,
        Andy Shevchenko <andy.shevchenko@...il.com>,
        OpenBMC Maillist <openbmc@...ts.ozlabs.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/9] Dynamic DT device nodes

On Thu, Oct 07, 2021 at 03:03:43PM -0500, Rob Herring wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 10:41 AM Zev Weiss <zev@...ilderbeest.net> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 07, 2021 at 03:31:39AM PDT, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > >On Thu, Oct 07, 2021 at 02:05:41AM -0700, Zev Weiss wrote:
> > >> On Thu, Oct 07, 2021 at 12:04:41AM PDT, Andy Shevchenko wrote:
> > >> > On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 3:10 AM Zev Weiss <zev@...ilderbeest.net> wrote:
> > >> > > This patch series is in some ways kind of a v2 for the "Dynamic
> > >> > > aspeed-smc flash chips via 'reserved' DT status" series I posted
> > >> > > previously [0], but takes a fairly different approach suggested by Rob
> > >> > > Herring [1] and doesn't actually touch the aspeed-smc driver or
> > >> > > anything in the MTD subsystem, so I haven't marked it as such.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > To recap a bit of the context from that series, in OpenBMC there's a
> > >> > > need for certain devices (described by device-tree nodes) to be able
> > >> > > to be attached and detached at runtime (for example the SPI flash for
> > >> > > the host's firmware, which is shared between the BMC and the host but
> > >> > > can only be accessed by one or the other at a time).
> > >> >
> > >> > This seems quite dangerous. Why do you need that?
> > >>
> > >> Sometimes the host needs access to the flash (it's the host's firmware,
> > >> after all), sometimes the BMC needs access to it (e.g. to perform an
> > >> out-of-band update to the host's firmware).  To achieve the latter, the
> > >> flash needs to be attached to the BMC, but that requires some careful
> > >> coordination with the host to arbitrate which one actually has access to it
> > >> (that coordination is handled by userspace, which then tells the kernel
> > >> explicitly when the flash should be attached and detached).
> > >>
> > >> What seems dangerous?
> > >>
> > >> > Why can't device tree overlays be used?
> > >>
> > >> I'm hoping to stay closer to mainline.  The OpenBMC kernel has a documented
> > >> policy strongly encouraging upstream-first development:
> > >> https://github.com/openbmc/docs/blob/master/kernel-development.md
> > >>
> > >> I doubt Joel (the OpenBMC kernel maintainer) would be eager to start
> > >> carrying the DT overlay patches; I'd likewise strongly prefer to avoid
> > >> carrying them myself as additional downstream patches.  Hence the attempt at
> > >> getting a solution to the problem upstream.
> > >
> > >Then why not work to get device tree overlays to be merged properly?
> 
> TBC, it's 'just' the general purpose userspace interface to apply
> overlays that's missing.
> 
> I did suggest what's done here as overlays are kind of an overkill for
> this usecase. Much easier to write to a sysfs file than write an
> overlay, compile it with dtc, and provide it to the kernel all just to
> enable a device.
> 
> Perhaps this could also be supported in the driver model directly.
> Given the "what about ACPI question", that is probably what should be
> done unless the answer is we don't care. I think we'd just need a flag
> to create devices, but not bind automatically. Or maybe abusing
> driver_override can accomplish that.

The driver model already allows devices to be bound/unbound from
drivers, but no, it does not allow new devices to be "created" from
userspace as that is a very bus-specific thing to have happen.

If this is "just" a platform device, perhaps add that logic to the
platform bus code?

thanks,

greg k-h