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Date:   Sun, 24 Oct 2021 11:57:52 +0200
From:   Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>
To:     Rob Landley <rob@...dley.net>
Cc:     Tim.Bird@...y.com, khilman@...libre.com, geert@...ux-m68k.org,
        laurent.pinchart@...asonboard.com, dwmw2@...radead.org,
        tbird20d@...il.com, u.kleine-koenig@...gutronix.de,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, paul.gortmaker@...driver.com,
        linux-embedded@...r.kernel.org, herbert@...dor.apana.org.au,
        linux-crypto@...r.kernel.org, kernel@...gutronix.de,
        mporter@...sulko.com, tglx@...utronix.de,
        thomas.petazzoni@...tlin.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: Remove Matt Mackall as his identity is
 obsolete

On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 02:24:48AM -0500, Rob Landley wrote:
> > The linux-embedded mailing list was created about the same time.
> > The thinking was that there are issues that transcend any particular
> > sub-system, directory, or file, such as boot time or system size or
> > real-time. Changes to keep these system-wide metrics in check might
> > need the assistance of a respected upstream maintainer, who could
> > guide developers working in these areas, or who could help keep
> > other kernel maintainers apprised of requirements in these areas
> > for embedded products.
> 
> Greg KH wouldn't listen to me when I was Documention maintainer. He wouldn't
> listen when I was busybox maintainer. Maintainer-without-portfolio ain't gonna
> get him to start.
> 
> Keep in mind Greg and Kay Sievers were joined at the hip until Linus threw Kay
> out of Linux dev and he bogged off to systemd. If you point out things like
> "sysfs should to present a stable API to userspace" or "it's a bad idea to
> depend on magic packages like udev or systemd as things every Linux system must
> not only use verbatim from a single upstream supplier but must replace every
> time they upgrade the kernel", Greg is reliably against them.

I love you Rob, but I have no idea how the creation of mdev has anything
to do with the topic at hand.

Best of luck!

greg k-h

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