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Date:   Tue, 26 Oct 2021 15:19:11 -0300
From:   Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@...hat.com>
To:     Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
Cc:     gor@...ux.ibm.com, jpoimboe@...hat.com, jikos@...nel.org,
        mbenes@...e.cz, pmladek@...e.com, mingo@...nel.org,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, joe.lawrence@...hat.com,
        fweisbec@...il.com, tglx@...utronix.de, hca@...ux.ibm.com,
        svens@...ux.ibm.com, sumanthk@...ux.ibm.com,
        live-patching@...r.kernel.org, paulmck@...nel.org,
        rostedt@...dmis.org, x86@...nel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 11/11] context_tracking,x86: Fix text_poke_sync()
 vs NOHZ_FULL

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 10:18:59PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 04:57:09PM -0300, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> > > Pretty much everything in noinstr is magical, we just have to think
> > > harder there (and possibly start writing more comments there).
> > 
> > mds_user_clear_cpu_buffers happens after sync_core, in your patchset, 
> > if i am not mistaken.
> 
> Of course it does, mds_user_clear_cpu_buffers() is on exit, the
> sync_core() is on entry.

                                                                  static_key enable/disable

__exit_to_user_mode ->                                            context_tracking_set_cpu_work(cpu, work)
   user_enter_irqoff ->                                                  preempt_disable();
   __context_tracking_enter(CONTEXT_USER);                               seq = atomic_read(&ct->seq);
      ct_seq_user_enter(raw_cpu_ptr(&context_tracking));                 if (__context_tracking_seq_in_user(seq)) {
      {                                                                          /* ctrl-dep */
        arch_atomic_set(&ct->work, 0);                                           atomic_or(work, &ct->work);
        return arch_atomic_add_return(CT_SEQ_USER, &ct->seq);                    ret = atomic_try_cmpxchg(&ct->seq, &seq, seq|CT_SEQ_WORK);
                                                                         }
      }                                                                  preempt_enable();
   arch_exit_to_user_mode()
   mds_user_clear_cpu_buffers();  <--- sync_core work queued,
                                       but not executed.
                                       i-cache potentially stale?

ct_seq_user_enter should happen _after_ all possible static_key users?

(or recheck that there is no pending work after any possible
rewritable code/static_key user).

> 
> > > > > +             /* NMI happens here and must still do/finish CT_WORK_n */
> > > > > +             sync_core();
> > > > 
> > > > But after the discussion with you, it seems doing the TLB checking 
> > > > and (also sync_core) checking very late/very early on exit/entry 
> > > > makes things easier to review.
> > > 
> > > I don't know about late, it must happen *very* early in entry. The
> > > sync_core() must happen before any self-modifying code gets called
> > > (static_branch, static_call, etc..) with possible exception of the
> > > context_tracking static_branch.
> > > 
> > > The TLBi must also happen super early, possibly while still on the
> > > entry stack (since the task stack is vmap'ed).
> > 
> > But will it be ever be freed/remapped from other CPUs while the task
> > is running?
> 
> Probably not, still something we need to be really careful with.
> > 
> > > We currently don't run C
> > > code on the entry stack, that needs quite a bit of careful work to make
> > > happen.
> > 
> > Was thinking of coding in ASM after (as early as possible) the write to 
> > switch to kernel CR3:
> 
> No, we're not going to add new feature to ASM. You'll just have to wait
> until all that gets lifted to C.
> 
> >  Kernel entry:
> >  -------------
> > 
> >        cpu = smp_processor_id();
> > 
> >        if (isolation_enabled(cpu)) {
> >                reqs = atomic_xchg(&percpudata->user_kernel_state, IN_KERNEL_MODE);
> >                if (reqs & CPU_REQ_FLUSH_TLB)
> > 			flush_tlb_all();
> >                if (reqs & CPU_REQ_SYNC_CORE)
> > 			sync_core();
> >        }                           
> > 
> > Exit to userspace (as close to write to CR3 with user pagetable
> > pointer):
> >  -----------------
> > 
> >        cpu = smp_processor_id();
> > 
> >        if (isolation_enabled(cpu)) {
> >                atomic_or(IN_USER_MODE, &percpudata->user_kernel_state);
> >        }
> > 
> > You think that is a bad idea (in ASM, not C) ? 
> 
> Those atomics are a bad idea and not goig to happen.
> 
> > > We're not going to add an atomic to context tracking. There is one, we
> > > just got to extract/share it with RCU.
> > 
> > Again, to avoid kernel TLB flushes you'd have to ensure:
> 
> I know how it works, but we're not going to add a second atomic to
> entry/exit. RCU has one in there, that's going to be it. Again, we just
> got to extract/share.

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