linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH Part2 v5 00/45] Add AMD Secure Nested Paging (SEV-SNP) Hypervisor Support

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Message-ID: <YY7Qp8c/gTD1rT86@google.com>
Date:   Fri, 12 Nov 2021 20:37:59 +0000
From:   Sean Christopherson <seanjc@...gle.com>
To:     Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>
Cc:     Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...el.com>,
        Peter Gonda <pgonda@...gle.com>,
        Brijesh Singh <brijesh.singh@....com>, x86@...nel.org,
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        Jim Mattson <jmattson@...gle.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH Part2 v5 00/45] Add AMD Secure Nested Paging (SEV-SNP)
 Hypervisor Support

On Fri, Nov 12, 2021, Borislav Petkov wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 07:48:17PM +0000, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > Yes, but IMO inducing a fault in the guest because of _host_ bug is wrong.
> 
> What do you suggest instead?

Let userspace decide what is mapped shared and what is mapped private.  The kernel
and KVM provide the APIs/infrastructure to do the actual conversions in a thread-safe
fashion and also to enforce the current state, but userspace is the control plane.

It would require non-trivial changes in userspace if there are multiple processes
accessing guest memory, e.g. Peter's networking daemon example, but it _is_ fully
solvable.  The exit to userspace means all three components (guest, kernel, 
and userspace) have full knowledge of what is shared and what is private.  There
is zero ambiguity:

  - if userspace accesses guest private memory, it gets SIGSEGV or whatever.  
  - if kernel accesses guest private memory, it does BUG/panic/oops[*]
  - if guest accesses memory with the incorrect C/SHARED-bit, it gets killed.

This is the direction KVM TDX support is headed, though it's obviously still a WIP.

And ideally, to avoid implicit conversions at any level, hardware vendors' ABIs
define that:

  a) All convertible memory, i.e. RAM, starts as private.
  b) Conversions between private and shared must be done via explicit hypercall.

Without (b), userspace and thus KVM have to treat guest accesses to the incorrect
type as implicit conversions.

[*] Sadly, fully preventing kernel access to guest private is not possible with
    TDX, especially if the direct map is left intact.  But maybe in the future
    TDX will signal a fault instead of poisoning memory and leaving a #MC mine.