linux-kernel - Re: Revisiting XFD-based AMX and heterogenous systems

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Message-ID: <8425e818-f6cc-ae52-ac6b-9cc80515c238@linux.intel.com>
Date:   Mon, 15 Nov 2021 12:11:28 -0800
From:   Arjan van de Ven <arjan@...ux.intel.com>
To:     Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>,
        Asit K Mallick <asit.k.mallick@...el.com>,
        Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...ux.intel.com>,
        "Brown, Len" <len.brown@...el.com>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        "Peter Zijlstra (Intel)" <peterz@...radead.org>,
        the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@...nel.org>,
        Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>,
        Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        "Bae, Chang Seok" <chang.seok.bae@...el.com>
Cc:     Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@...rix.com>
Subject: Re: Revisiting XFD-based AMX and heterogenous systems

On 11/15/2021 11:59 AM, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> [resend -- first try was HTML.  oops.]
> 
> Hi all-
> 
> I just learned that current Alder Lake review samples are actually heterogenous, at least physically.  The performance cores have AVX-512 and the efficiency cores don't have AVX-512.  Since no OS supports actual runtime ISA heterogeneity, this feature seems to be hidden in that one must choose, per boot, whether one wants AVX-512 or efficiency cores, but the CPU is physically heterogenous.
> 
> All the earlier discussions about Linux AMX architecture happened under the assumption that xfeature-heterogenous systems would never happen, and my grudging acceptance of the XFD model was predicated on that.  But now we have obviously heterogenous hardware that is apparently actually shipping at least to reviewers, and I think we should revisit this before we merge AMX support.
> 

Alderlake is not heterogenous.
This is not just an "OS can deal with it" thing... it's throughout everything from low lower power delivery through bios through ...