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Date:   Wed, 24 Nov 2021 16:28:29 +0800
From:   Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com>
To:     "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>
Cc:     Michael Ellerman <mpe@...erman.id.au>,
        Halil Pasic <pasic@...ux.ibm.com>,
        virtualization <virtualization@...ts.linux-foundation.org>,
        "Hetzelt, Felicitas" <f.hetzelt@...berlin.de>,
        linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        "kaplan, david" <david.kaplan@....com>,
        Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@...cle.com>,
        Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@...hat.com>,
        Stefano Garzarella <sgarzare@...hat.com>, mcgrof@...nel.org,
        David Hildenbrand <david@...hat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V5 1/4] virtio_ring: validate used buffer length

On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 4:24 PM Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@...hat.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 03:59:12PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 3:22 PM Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@...hat.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 10:33:28AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 10:26 AM Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 9:30 AM Michael Ellerman <mpe@...erman.id.au> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com> writes:
> > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 10:25:20AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > > > > >> On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 4:24 AM Halil Pasic <pasic@...ux.ibm.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 14:25:26 +0800
> > > > > > >> > Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > > I think the fixes are:
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > 1) fixing the vhost vsock
> > > > > > >> > > 2) use suppress_used_validation=true to let vsock driver to validate
> > > > > > >> > > the in buffer length
> > > > > > >> > > 3) probably a new feature so the driver can only enable the validation
> > > > > > >> > > when the feature is enabled.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > I'm not sure, I would consider a F_DEV_Y_FIXED_BUG_X a perfectly good
> > > > > > >> > feature. Frankly the set of such bugs is device implementation
> > > > > > >> > specific and it makes little sense to specify a feature bit
> > > > > > >> > that says the device implementation claims to adhere to some
> > > > > > >> > aspect of the specification. Also what would be the semantic
> > > > > > >> > of not negotiating F_DEV_Y_FIXED_BUG_X?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Yes, I agree. Rethink of the feature bit, it seems unnecessary,
> > > > > > >> especially considering the driver should not care about the used
> > > > > > >> length for tx.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > On the other hand I see no other way to keep the validation
> > > > > > >> > permanently enabled for fixed implementations, and get around the problem
> > > > > > >> > with broken implementations. So we could have something like
> > > > > > >> > VHOST_USED_LEN_STRICT.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> It's more about a choice of the driver's knowledge. For vsock TX it
> > > > > > >> should be fine. If we introduce a parameter and disable it by default,
> > > > > > >> it won't be very useful.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Maybe, we can also think of 'warn and don't alter behavior' instead of
> > > > > > >> > 'warn' and alter behavior. Or maybe even not having such checks on in
> > > > > > >> > production, but only when testing.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I think there's an agreement that virtio drivers need more hardening,
> > > > > > >> that's why a lot of patches were merged. Especially considering the
> > > > > > >> new requirements came from confidential computing, smart NIC and
> > > > > > >> VDUSE. For virtio drivers, enabling the validation may help to
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> 1) protect the driver from the buggy and malicious device
> > > > > > >> 2) uncover the bugs of the devices (as vsock did, and probably rpmsg)
> > > > > > >> 3) force the have a smart driver that can do the validation itself
> > > > > > >> then we can finally remove the validation in the core
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> So I'd like to keep it enabled.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Thanks
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let's see how far we can get. But yes, maybe we were too aggressive in
> > > > > > > breaking things by default, a warning might be a better choice for a
> > > > > > > couple of cycles.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ok, considering we saw the issues with balloons I think I can post a
> > > > > patch to use warn instead. I wonder if we need to taint the kernel in
> > > > > this case.
> > > >
> > > > Rethink this, consider we still have some time, I tend to convert the
> > > > drivers to validate the length by themselves. Does this make sense?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > >
> > > That's separate but let's stop crashing guests for people ASAP.
> >
> > Ok, will post a patch soon.
> >
> > Thanks
>
> So let's err on the side of caution now, I will just revert for this
> release.
>
> For the next one I think a good plan is:
> - no checks by default
> - module param to check and warn
> - keep adding validation in the drivers as appropriate

Fine, I will do that.

Thanks

>
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This series appears to break the virtio_balloon driver as well.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The symptom is soft lockup warnings, eg:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >   INFO: task kworker/1:1:109 blocked for more than 614 seconds.
> > > > > >         Not tainted 5.16.0-rc2-gcc-10.3.0 #21
> > > > > >   "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this message.
> > > > > >   task:kworker/1:1     state:D stack:12496 pid:  109 ppid:     2 flags:0x00000800
> > > > > >   Workqueue: events_freezable update_balloon_size_func
> > > > > >   Call Trace:
> > > > > >   [c000000003cef7c0] [c000000003cef820] 0xc000000003cef820 (unreliable)
> > > > > >   [c000000003cef9b0] [c00000000001e238] __switch_to+0x1e8/0x2f0
> > > > > >   [c000000003cefa10] [c000000000f0a00c] __schedule+0x2cc/0xb50
> > > > > >   [c000000003cefae0] [c000000000f0a8fc] schedule+0x6c/0x140
> > > > > >   [c000000003cefb10] [c00000000095b6c4] tell_host+0xe4/0x130
> > > > > >   [c000000003cefba0] [c00000000095d234] update_balloon_size_func+0x394/0x3f0
> > > > > >   [c000000003cefc70] [c000000000178064] process_one_work+0x2c4/0x5b0
> > > > > >   [c000000003cefd10] [c0000000001783f8] worker_thread+0xa8/0x640
> > > > > >   [c000000003cefda0] [c000000000185444] kthread+0x1b4/0x1c0
> > > > > >   [c000000003cefe10] [c00000000000cee4] ret_from_kernel_thread+0x5c/0x64
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Similar backtrace reported here by Luis:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >   https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/YY2duTi0wAyAKUTJ@bombadil.infradead.org/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bisect points to:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >   # first bad commit: [939779f5152d161b34f612af29e7dc1ac4472fcf] virtio_ring: validate used buffer length
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Adding suppress used validation to the virtio balloon driver "fixes" it, eg.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > diff --git a/drivers/virtio/virtio_balloon.c b/drivers/virtio/virtio_balloon.c
> > > > > > index c22ff0117b46..a14b82ceebb2 100644
> > > > > > --- a/drivers/virtio/virtio_balloon.c
> > > > > > +++ b/drivers/virtio/virtio_balloon.c
> > > > > > @@ -1150,6 +1150,7 @@ static unsigned int features[] = {
> > > > > >  };
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  static struct virtio_driver virtio_balloon_driver = {
> > > > > > +       .suppress_used_validation = true,
> > > > > >         .feature_table = features,
> > > > > >         .feature_table_size = ARRAY_SIZE(features),
> > > > > >         .driver.name =  KBUILD_MODNAME,
> > > > >
> > > > > Looks good, we need a formal patch for this.
> > > > >
> > > > > And we need fix Qemu as well which advertise non zero used length for
> > > > > inflate/deflate queue:
> > > > >
> > > > > static void virtio_balloon_handle_output(VirtIODevice *vdev, VirtQueue *vq)
> > > > > ...
> > > > >         virtqueue_push(vq, elem, offset);
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > cheers
> > > > > >
> > >
>

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