linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v43 01/15] Linux Random Number Generator

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Date:   Fri, 26 Nov 2021 17:15:59 +0100
From:   Stephan Mueller <smueller@...onox.de>
To:     Simo Sorce <simo@...hat.com>,
        Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>
Cc:     "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@...c4.com>, Tso Ted <tytso@....edu>,
        linux-crypto@...r.kernel.org, Willy Tarreau <w@....eu>,
        Nicolai Stange <nstange@...e.de>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>,
        "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@...ssion.com>,
        "Alexander E. Patrakov" <patrakov@...il.com>,
        "Ahmed S. Darwish" <darwish.07@...il.com>,
        Matthew Garrett <mjg59@...f.ucam.org>,
        Vito Caputo <vcaputo@...garu.com>,
        Andreas Dilger <adilger.kernel@...ger.ca>,
        Jan Kara <jack@...e.cz>, Ray Strode <rstrode@...hat.com>,
        William Jon McCann <mccann@....edu>,
        zhangjs <zachary@...shancloud.com>,
        Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>,
        Florian Weimer <fweimer@...hat.com>,
        Lennart Poettering <mzxreary@...inter.de>,
        Peter Matthias <matthias.peter@....bund.de>,
        Marcelo Henrique Cerri <marcelo.cerri@...onical.com>,
        Neil Horman <nhorman@...hat.com>,
        Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@...radead.org>,
        Julia Lawall <julia.lawall@...ia.fr>,
        Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@...cle.com>,
        Andy Lavr <andy.lavr@...il.com>,
        Eric Biggers <ebiggers@...nel.org>,
        Petr Tesarik <ptesarik@...e.cz>,
        John Haxby <john.haxby@...cle.com>,
        Alexander Lobakin <alobakin@...lbox.org>,
        Jirka Hladky <jhladky@...hat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v43 01/15] Linux Random Number Generator

Am Freitag, 26. November 2021, 16:44:17 CET schrieb Greg Kroah-Hartman:

Hi Greg,

> On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 09:59:01AM -0500, Simo Sorce wrote:
> > Jason,
> > have you previously produced a list of reasoned concerns with this
> > patchset and direction?
> > 
> > This specific email is not really useful to me to understand the
> > concerns as it does not contain actionable suggestion or critique.
> > 
> > I personally find the direction fine, and with my distribution hat on I
> > can say that FIPS is essential for us and any design must include an
> > option to be FIPS certifiable.
> > 
> > As NIST keeps improving their testing capabilities and rigorous
> > cryptographic design of the CSPRNGs as well as entropy sources the
> > kernel must also adapt.
> > 
> > Stephan is providing a path forward, and I haven't seen any other
> > proposal, let alone code, that provide improvements in this area.
> > I am pretty sure the design can be improved if there is detailed and
> > actionable feedback on what to change.
> > 
> > I hope the path forward can be one of collaboration rather then mere
> > opposition.
> 
> Replacement of the existing code to cut over to the new one is not
> collaboration, it's the exact opposite.
> 
> Submitting patches to the existing codebase to implement the
> "requirements" is the proper way forward, why has that never been done.

It has been attempted by Nikolai Stange without avail - no comments were 
received, let alone it was integrated.
> 
> Remember, evolution is the correct way of kernel development, not
> intelligent design :)
> 
> thanks,
> 
> greg k-h


Ciao
Stephan