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Date:   Tue, 30 Nov 2021 21:27:15 +0100
From:   Florian Weimer <fweimer@...hat.com>
To:     Mickaël Salaün <mic@...ikod.net>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v17 0/3] Add trusted_for(2) (was O_MAYEXEC)

* Mickaël Salaün:

> Primary goal of trusted_for(2)
> ==============================
>
> This new syscall enables user space to ask the kernel: is this file
> descriptor's content trusted to be used for this purpose?  The set of
> usage currently only contains execution, but other may follow (e.g.
> configuration, sensitive data).  If the kernel identifies the file
> descriptor as trustworthy for this usage, user space should then take
> this information into account.  The "execution" usage means that the
> content of the file descriptor is trusted according to the system policy
> to be executed by user space, which means that it interprets the content
> or (try to) maps it as executable memory.

I sketched my ideas about “IMA gadgets” here:

  IMA gadgets
  <https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2021/11/30/1>

I still don't think the proposed trusted_for interface is sufficient.
The example I gave is a Perl module that does nothing (on its own) when
loaded as a Perl module (although you probably don't want to sign it
anyway, given what it implements), but triggers an unwanted action when
sourced (using .) as a shell script.

> @usage identifies the user space usage intended for @fd: only
> TRUSTED_FOR_EXECUTION for now, but trusted_for_usage could be extended
> to identify other usages (e.g. configuration, sensitive data).

We would need TRUSTED_FOR_EXECUTION_BY_BASH,
TRUSTED_FOR_EXECUTION_BY_PERL, etc.  I'm not sure that actually works.

Caller process context does not work because we have this confusion
internally between glibc's own use (for the dynamic linker
configuration), and for loading programs/shared objects (there seems to
be a corner case where you can execute arbitrary code even without
executable mappings in the ELF object), and the script interpreter
itself (the primary target for trusted_for).

But for generating auditing events, trusted_for seems is probably quite
helpful.

Thanks,
Florian