linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v2 5/8] docs: sysfs-block: document stable

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Date:   Wed, 8 Dec 2021 14:34:30 -0800
From:   Eric Biggers <ebiggers@...nel.org>
To:     Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@....org>
Cc:     linux-block@...r.kernel.org, Jens Axboe <axboe@...nel.dk>,
        linux-doc@...r.kernel.org,
        Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, Hannes Reinecke <hare@...e.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 5/8] docs: sysfs-block: document stable_writes

On Wed, Dec 08, 2021 at 10:01:10AM -0800, Bart Van Assche wrote:
> On 12/7/21 4:56 PM, Eric Biggers wrote:
> > +What:		/sys/block/<disk>/queue/stable_writes
> > +Date:		September 2020
> > +Contact:	linux-block@...r.kernel.org
> > +Description:
> > +		[RW] If the device requires that memory must not be modified
> > +		while it is being written out to disk, this file will contain
> > +		'1'.  Otherwise it will contain '0'.  This file is writable for
> > +		testing purposes.
> 
> Hmm ... doesn't this attribute apply to the process of transferring data from
> host memory to the device instead of to writing to the disk? Whether data goes
> to the storage device cache or to the storage medium itself depends on attributes
> like FUA.
> 

Yes, I meant "written out to disk" in the general sense of writeback, not in the
sense of when the data reaches its final destination.  I'm not sure what the
best way to explain it is.  I think it's more than just "the process of
transferring data from host memory to the device", as that is just part of a
write request, whereas stable_writes applies to whole requests.  How about:

		[RW] This file will contain '1' if memory must not be modified
		while it is being used in a write request to this device.  When
		this is the case and the kernel is performing writeback of a
		page, the kernel will wait for writeback to complete before
		allowing the page to be modified again, rather than allowing
		immediate modification as is normally the case.  This
		restriction arises when the device accesses the memory multiple
		times where the same data must be seen every time -- for
		example, once to calculate a checksum and once to actually write
		the data.  If no such restriction exists, this file will contain
		'0'.  This file is writable for testing purposes.

- Eric