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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 15:13:04 -0500
From: Jeff Layton <jlayton@...nel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 00/68] fscache, cachefiles: Rewrite
On Thu, 2021-12-16 at 16:05 +0000, David Howells wrote:
> Here's a set of patches implements a rewrite of the fscache driver and a
> matching rewrite of the cachefiles driver, significantly simplifying the
> code compared to what's upstream, removing the complex operation scheduling
> and object state machine in favour of something much smaller and simpler.
>
> The patchset is structured such that the first few patches disable fscache
> use by the network filesystems using it, remove the cachefiles driver
> entirely and as much of the fscache driver as can be got away with without
> causing build failures in the network filesystems. The patches after that
> recreate fscache and then cachefiles, attempting to add the pieces in a
> logical order. Finally, the filesystems are reenabled and then the very
> last patch changes the documentation.
>
>
> WHY REWRITE?
> ============
>
> Fscache's operation scheduling API was intended to handle sequencing of
> cache operations, which were all required (where possible) to run
> asynchronously in parallel with the operations being done by the network
> filesystem, whilst allowing the cache to be brought online and offline and
> to interrupt service for invalidation.
>
> With the advent of the tmpfile capacity in the VFS, however, an opportunity
> arises to do invalidation much more simply, without having to wait for I/O
> that's actually in progress: Cachefiles can simply create a tmpfile, cut
> over the file pointer for the backing object attached to a cookie and
> abandon the in-progress I/O, dismissing it upon completion.
>
> Future work here would involve using Omar Sandoval's vfs_link() with
> AT_LINK_REPLACE[1] to allow an extant file to be displaced by a new hard
> link from a tmpfile as currently I have to unlink the old file first.
>
> These patches can also simplify the object state handling as I/O operations
> to the cache don't all have to be brought to a stop in order to invalidate
> a file. To that end, and with an eye on to writing a new backing cache
> model in the future, I've taken the opportunity to simplify the indexing
> structure.
>
> I've separated the index cookie concept from the file cookie concept by C
> type now. The former is now called a "volume cookie" (struct
> fscache_volume) and there is a container of file cookies. There are then
> just the two levels. All the index cookie levels are collapsed into a
> single volume cookie, and this has a single printable string as a key. For
> instance, an AFS volume would have a key of something like
> "afs,example.com,1000555", combining the filesystem name, cell name and
> volume ID. This is freeform, but must not have '/' chars in it.
>
> I've also eliminated all pointers back from fscache into the network
> filesystem. This required the duplication of a little bit of data in the
> cookie (cookie key, coherency data and file size), but it's not actually
> that much. This gets rid of problems with making sure we keep netfs data
> structures around so that the cache can access them.
>
> These patches mean that most of the code that was in the drivers before is
> simply gone and those drivers are now almost entirely new code. That being
> the case, there doesn't seem any particular reason to try and maintain
> bisectability across it. Further, there has to be a point in the middle
> where things are cut over as there's a single point everything has to go
> through (ie. /dev/cachefiles) and it can't be in use by two drivers at
> once.
>
>
> ISSUES YET OUTSTANDING
> ======================
>
> There are some issues still outstanding, unaddressed by this patchset, that
> will need fixing in future patchsets, but that don't stop this series from
> being usable:
>
> (1) The cachefiles driver needs to stop using the backing filesystem's
> metadata to store information about what parts of the cache are
> populated. This is not reliable with modern extent-based filesystems.
>
> Fixing this is deferred to a separate patchset as it involves
> negotiation with the network filesystem and the VM as to how much data
> to download to fulfil a read - which brings me on to (2)...
>
> (2) NFS and CIFS do not take account of how the cache would like I/O to be
> structured to meet its granularity requirements. Previously, the
> cache used page granularity, which was fine as the network filesystems
> also dealt in page granularity, and the backing filesystem (ext4, xfs
> or whatever) did whatever it did out of sight. However, we now have
> folios to deal with and the cache will now have to store its own
> metadata to track its contents.
>
> The change I'm looking at making for cachefiles is to store content
> bitmaps in one or more xattrs and making a bit in the map correspond
> to something like a 256KiB block. However, the size of an xattr and
> the fact that they have to be read/updated in one go means that I'm
> looking at covering 1GiB of data per 512-byte map and storing each map
> in an xattr. Cachefiles has the potential to grow into a fully
> fledged filesystem of its very own if I'm not careful.
>
> However, I'm also looking at changing things even more radically and
> going to a different model of how the cache is arranged and managed -
> one that's more akin to the way, say, openafs does things - which
> brings me on to (3)...
>
> (3) The way cachefilesd does culling is very inefficient for large caches
> and it would be better to move it into the kernel if I can as
> cachefilesd has to keep asking the kernel if it can cull a file.
> Changing the way the backend works would allow this to be addressed.
>
>
> BITS THAT MAY BE CONTROVERSIAL
> ==============================
>
> There are some bits I've added that may be controversial:
>
> (1) I've provided a flag, S_KERNEL_FILE, that cachefiles uses to check if
> a files is already being used by some other kernel service (e.g. a
> duplicate cachefiles cache in the same directory) and reject it if it
> is. This isn't entirely necessary, but it helps prevent accidental
> data corruption.
>
> I don't want to use S_SWAPFILE as that has other effects, but quite
> possibly swapon() should set S_KERNEL_FILE too.
>
> Note that it doesn't prevent userspace from interfering, though
> perhaps it should. (I have made it prevent a marked directory from
> being rmdir-able).
>
> (2) Cachefiles wants to keep the backing file for a cookie open whilst we
> might need to write to it from network filesystem writeback. The
> problem is that the network filesystem unuses its cookie when its file
> is closed, and so we have nothing pinning the cachefiles file open and
> it will get closed automatically after a short time to avoid
> EMFILE/ENFILE problems.
>
> Reopening the cache file, however, is a problem if this is being done
> due to writeback triggered by exit(). Some filesystems will oops if
> we try to open a file in that context because they want to access
> current->fs or suchlike.
>
> To get around this, I added the following:
>
> (A) An inode flag, I_PINNING_FSCACHE_WB, to be set on a network
> filesystem inode to indicate that we have a usage count on the
> cookie caching that inode.
>
> (B) A flag in struct writeback_control, unpinned_fscache_wb, that is
> set when __writeback_single_inode() clears the last dirty page
> from i_pages - at which point it clears I_PINNING_FSCACHE_WB and
> sets this flag.
>
> This has to be done here so that clearing I_PINNING_FSCACHE_WB can
> be done atomically with the check of PAGECACHE_TAG_DIRTY that
> clears I_DIRTY_PAGES.
>
> (C) A function, fscache_set_page_dirty(), which if it is not set, sets
> I_PINNING_FSCACHE_WB and calls fscache_use_cookie() to pin the
> cache resources.
>
> (D) A function, fscache_unpin_writeback(), to be called by
> ->write_inode() to unuse the cookie.
>
> (E) A function, fscache_clear_inode_writeback(), to be called when the
> inode is evicted, before clear_inode() is called. This cleans up
> any lingering I_PINNING_FSCACHE_WB.
>
> The network filesystem can then use these tools to make sure that
> fscache_write_to_cache() can write locally modified data to the cache
> as well as to the server.
>
> For the future, I'm working on write helpers for netfs lib that should
> allow this facility to be removed by keeping track of the dirty
> regions separately - but that's incomplete at the moment and is also
> going to be affected by folios, one way or another, since it deals
> with pages.
>
>
> These patches can be found also on:
>
> https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/dhowells/linux-fs.git/log/?h=fscache-rewrite
>
> David
>
>
> Changes
> =======
> ver #3:
> - Fixed a race in the cookie state machine between LRU discard and
> relinquishment[4].
> - Fixed up the hashing to make it portable[5].
> - Fixed up some netfs coherency data to make it portable.
> - Fixed some missing NFS_FSCACHE=n fallback functions in nfs[6].
> - Added a patch to store volume coherency data in an xattr.
> - Added a check that the cookie is unhashed before being freed.
> - Fixed fscache to use remove_proc_subtree() to remove /proc/fs/fscache/.
>
> ver #2:
> - Fix an unused-var warning due to CONFIG_9P_FSCACHE=n.
> - Use gfpflags_allow_blocking() rather than using flag directly.
> - Fixed some error logging in a couple of cachefiles functions.
> - Fixed an error check in the fscache volume allocation.
> - Need to unmark an inode we've moved to the graveyard before unlocking.
> - Upgraded to -rc4 to allow for upstream changes to cifs.
> - Should only change to inval state if can get access to cache.
> - Don't hold n_accesses elevated whilst cache is bound to a cookie, but
> rather add a flag that prevents the state machine from being queued when
> n_accesses reaches 0.
> - Remove the unused cookie pointer field from the fscache_acquire
> tracepoint.
> - Added missing transition to LRU_DISCARDING state.
> - Added two ceph patches from Jeff Layton[2].
> - Remove NFS_INO_FSCACHE as it's no longer used.
> - In NFS, need to unuse a cookie on file-release, not inode-clear.
> - Filled in the NFS cache I/O routines, borrowing from the previously posted
> fallback I/O code[3].
>
>
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/cover.1580251857.git.osandov@fb.com/ [1]
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20211207134451.66296-1-jlayton@kernel.org/ [2]
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/163189108292.2509237.12615909591150927232.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk/ [3]
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/599331.1639410068@warthog.procyon.org.uk/ [4]
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/CAHk-=whtkzB446+hX0zdLsdcUJsJ=8_-0S1mE_R+YurThfUbLA@mail.gmail.com [5]
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/61b90f3d.H1IkoeQfEsGNhvq9%lkp@intel.com/ [6]
>
> References
> ==========
>
> These patches have been published for review before, firstly as part of a
> larger set:
>
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/158861203563.340223.7585359869938129395.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk/
>
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/159465766378.1376105.11619976251039287525.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk/
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/159465784033.1376674.18106463693989811037.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk/
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/159465821598.1377938.2046362270225008168.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk/
>
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/160588455242.3465195.3214733858273019178.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk/
>
> Then as a cut-down set:
>
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/161118128472.1232039.11746799833066425131.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk/ # v1
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/161161025063.2537118.2009249444682241405.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk/ # v2
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/161340385320.1303470.2392622971006879777.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk/ # v3
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/161539526152.286939.8589700175877370401.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk/ # v4
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/161653784755.2770958.11820491619308713741.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk/ # v5
>
> I split out a set to just restructure the I/O, which got merged back in to
> this one:
>
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/163363935000.1980952.15279841414072653108.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk/
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/163189104510.2509237.10805032055807259087.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk/ # v2
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/163363935000.1980952.15279841414072653108.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk/ # v3
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/163551653404.1877519.12363794970541005441.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk/ # v4
>
> ... and a larger set to do the conversion, also merged back into this one:
>
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/163456861570.2614702.14754548462706508617.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk/ # v1
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/163492911924.1038219.13107463173777870713.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk/ # v2
>
> Older versions of this one:
>
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/163819575444.215744.318477214576928110.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk/ # v1
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/163906878733.143852.5604115678965006622.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk/ # v2
>
> Proposals/information about the design have been published here:
>
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/24942.1573667720@warthog.procyon.org.uk/
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/2758811.1610621106@warthog.procyon.org.uk/
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/1441311.1598547738@warthog.procyon.org.uk/
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/160655.1611012999@warthog.procyon.org.uk/
>
> And requests for information:
>
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/3326.1579019665@warthog.procyon.org.uk/
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/4467.1579020509@warthog.procyon.org.uk/
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/3577430.1579705075@warthog.procyon.org.uk/
>
> I've posted partial patches to try and help 9p and cifs along:
>
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/1514086.1605697347@warthog.procyon.org.uk/
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/1794123.1605713481@warthog.procyon.org.uk/
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/241017.1612263863@warthog.procyon.org.uk/
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/270998.1612265397@warthog.procyon.org.uk/
>
> ---
> Dave Wysochanski (1):
> nfs: Convert to new fscache volume/cookie API
>
> David Howells (65):
> fscache, cachefiles: Disable configuration
> cachefiles: Delete the cachefiles driver pending rewrite
> fscache: Remove the contents of the fscache driver, pending rewrite
> netfs: Display the netfs inode number in the netfs_read tracepoint
> netfs: Pass a flag to ->prepare_write() to say if there's no alloc'd space
> fscache: Introduce new driver
> fscache: Implement a hash function
> fscache: Implement cache registration
> fscache: Implement volume registration
> fscache: Implement cookie registration
> fscache: Implement cache-level access helpers
> fscache: Implement volume-level access helpers
> fscache: Implement cookie-level access helpers
> fscache: Implement functions add/remove a cache
> fscache: Provide and use cache methods to lookup/create/free a volume
> fscache: Add a function for a cache backend to note an I/O error
> fscache: Implement simple cookie state machine
> fscache: Implement cookie user counting and resource pinning
> fscache: Implement cookie invalidation
> fscache: Provide a means to begin an operation
> fscache: Count data storage objects in a cache
> fscache: Provide read/write stat counters for the cache
> fscache: Provide a function to let the netfs update its coherency data
> netfs: Pass more information on how to deal with a hole in the cache
> fscache: Implement raw I/O interface
> fscache: Implement higher-level write I/O interface
> vfs, fscache: Implement pinning of cache usage for writeback
> fscache: Provide a function to note the release of a page
> fscache: Provide a function to resize a cookie
> cachefiles: Introduce rewritten driver
> cachefiles: Define structs
> cachefiles: Add some error injection support
> cachefiles: Add a couple of tracepoints for logging errors
> cachefiles: Add cache error reporting macro
> cachefiles: Add security derivation
> cachefiles: Register a miscdev and parse commands over it
> cachefiles: Provide a function to check how much space there is
> vfs, cachefiles: Mark a backing file in use with an inode flag
> cachefiles: Implement a function to get/create a directory in the cache
> cachefiles: Implement cache registration and withdrawal
> cachefiles: Implement volume support
> cachefiles: Add tracepoints for calls to the VFS
> cachefiles: Implement object lifecycle funcs
> cachefiles: Implement key to filename encoding
> cachefiles: Implement metadata/coherency data storage in xattrs
> cachefiles: Mark a backing file in use with an inode flag
> cachefiles: Implement culling daemon commands
> cachefiles: Implement backing file wrangling
> cachefiles: Implement begin and end I/O operation
> cachefiles: Implement cookie resize for truncate
> cachefiles: Implement the I/O routines
> fscache, cachefiles: Store the volume coherency data
> cachefiles: Allow cachefiles to actually function
> fscache, cachefiles: Display stats of no-space events
> fscache, cachefiles: Display stat of culling events
> afs: Handle len being extending over page end in write_begin/write_end
> afs: Fix afs_write_end() to handle len > page size
> afs: Convert afs to use the new fscache API
> afs: Copy local writes to the cache when writing to the server
> afs: Skip truncation on the server of data we haven't written yet
> 9p: Use fscache indexing rewrite and reenable caching
> 9p: Copy local writes to the cache when writing to the server
> nfs: Implement cache I/O by accessing the cache directly
> cifs: Support fscache indexing rewrite (untested)
> fscache: Rewrite documentation
>
> Jeff Layton (2):
> ceph: conversion to new fscache API
> ceph: add fscache writeback support
>
>
> .../filesystems/caching/backend-api.rst | 850 ++++------
> .../filesystems/caching/cachefiles.rst | 6 +-
> Documentation/filesystems/caching/fscache.rst | 525 ++----
> Documentation/filesystems/caching/index.rst | 4 +-
> .../filesystems/caching/netfs-api.rst | 1136 ++++---------
> Documentation/filesystems/caching/object.rst | 313 ----
> .../filesystems/caching/operations.rst | 210 ---
> Documentation/filesystems/netfs_library.rst | 16 +-
> fs/9p/Kconfig | 2 +-
> fs/9p/cache.c | 195 +--
> fs/9p/cache.h | 25 +-
> fs/9p/v9fs.c | 17 +-
> fs/9p/v9fs.h | 13 +-
> fs/9p/vfs_addr.c | 56 +-
> fs/9p/vfs_dir.c | 13 +
> fs/9p/vfs_file.c | 3 +-
> fs/9p/vfs_inode.c | 26 +-
> fs/9p/vfs_inode_dotl.c | 3 +-
> fs/9p/vfs_super.c | 3 +
> fs/afs/Kconfig | 2 +-
> fs/afs/Makefile | 3 -
> fs/afs/cache.c | 68 -
> fs/afs/cell.c | 12 -
> fs/afs/file.c | 37 +-
> fs/afs/inode.c | 101 +-
> fs/afs/internal.h | 37 +-
> fs/afs/main.c | 14 -
> fs/afs/super.c | 1 +
> fs/afs/volume.c | 29 +-
> fs/afs/write.c | 100 +-
> fs/cachefiles/Kconfig | 7 +
> fs/cachefiles/Makefile | 6 +-
> fs/cachefiles/bind.c | 278 ----
> fs/cachefiles/cache.c | 378 +++++
> fs/cachefiles/daemon.c | 180 +--
> fs/cachefiles/error_inject.c | 46 +
> fs/cachefiles/interface.c | 747 ++++-----
> fs/cachefiles/internal.h | 270 ++--
> fs/cachefiles/io.c | 330 +++-
> fs/cachefiles/key.c | 201 ++-
> fs/cachefiles/main.c | 22 +-
> fs/cachefiles/namei.c | 1223 ++++++--------
> fs/cachefiles/rdwr.c | 972 -----------
> fs/cachefiles/security.c | 2 +-
> fs/cachefiles/volume.c | 139 ++
> fs/cachefiles/xattr.c | 425 +++--
> fs/ceph/Kconfig | 2 +-
> fs/ceph/addr.c | 101 +-
> fs/ceph/cache.c | 218 +--
> fs/ceph/cache.h | 97 +-
> fs/ceph/caps.c | 3 +-
> fs/ceph/file.c | 13 +-
> fs/ceph/inode.c | 22 +-
> fs/ceph/super.c | 10 +-
> fs/ceph/super.h | 3 +-
> fs/cifs/Kconfig | 2 +-
> fs/cifs/Makefile | 2 +-
> fs/cifs/cache.c | 105 --
> fs/cifs/cifsfs.c | 11 +-
> fs/cifs/cifsglob.h | 5 +-
> fs/cifs/connect.c | 12 -
> fs/cifs/file.c | 64 +-
> fs/cifs/fscache.c | 333 +---
> fs/cifs/fscache.h | 126 +-
> fs/cifs/inode.c | 36 +-
> fs/fs-writeback.c | 8 +
> fs/fscache/Makefile | 6 +-
> fs/fscache/cache.c | 618 +++----
> fs/fscache/cookie.c | 1433 +++++++++--------
> fs/fscache/fsdef.c | 98 --
> fs/fscache/internal.h | 317 +---
> fs/fscache/io.c | 376 ++++-
> fs/fscache/main.c | 147 +-
> fs/fscache/netfs.c | 74 -
> fs/fscache/object.c | 1125 -------------
> fs/fscache/operation.c | 633 --------
> fs/fscache/page.c | 1242 --------------
> fs/fscache/proc.c | 47 +-
> fs/fscache/stats.c | 293 +---
> fs/fscache/volume.c | 517 ++++++
> fs/namei.c | 3 +-
> fs/netfs/read_helper.c | 10 +-
> fs/nfs/Kconfig | 2 +-
> fs/nfs/Makefile | 2 +-
> fs/nfs/client.c | 4 -
> fs/nfs/direct.c | 2 +
> fs/nfs/file.c | 13 +-
> fs/nfs/fscache-index.c | 140 --
> fs/nfs/fscache.c | 490 ++----
> fs/nfs/fscache.h | 179 +-
> fs/nfs/inode.c | 11 +-
> fs/nfs/nfstrace.h | 1 -
> fs/nfs/read.c | 25 +-
> fs/nfs/super.c | 28 +-
> fs/nfs/write.c | 8 +-
> include/linux/fs.h | 4 +
> include/linux/fscache-cache.h | 614 ++-----
> include/linux/fscache.h | 1022 +++++-------
> include/linux/netfs.h | 15 +-
> include/linux/nfs_fs.h | 1 -
> include/linux/nfs_fs_sb.h | 9 +-
> include/linux/writeback.h | 1 +
> include/trace/events/cachefiles.h | 527 ++++--
> include/trace/events/fscache.h | 626 ++++---
> include/trace/events/netfs.h | 5 +-
> 105 files changed, 7356 insertions(+), 13531 deletions(-)
> delete mode 100644 Documentation/filesystems/caching/object.rst
> delete mode 100644 Documentation/filesystems/caching/operations.rst
> delete mode 100644 fs/afs/cache.c
> delete mode 100644 fs/cachefiles/bind.c
> create mode 100644 fs/cachefiles/cache.c
> create mode 100644 fs/cachefiles/error_inject.c
> delete mode 100644 fs/cachefiles/rdwr.c
> create mode 100644 fs/cachefiles/volume.c
> delete mode 100644 fs/cifs/cache.c
> delete mode 100644 fs/fscache/fsdef.c
> delete mode 100644 fs/fscache/netfs.c
> delete mode 100644 fs/fscache/object.c
> delete mode 100644 fs/fscache/operation.c
> delete mode 100644 fs/fscache/page.c
> create mode 100644 fs/fscache/volume.c
> delete mode 100644 fs/nfs/fscache-index.c
>
>
I went through patches #1-#27 and they all look good to me. I made few
comments here and there but none of them are show-stoppers, IMO.
You can add my Reviewed-by to 1-27 if you like. I'll look over the rest
when I have some more time (may be a bit).
Thanks!
--
Jeff Layton <jlayton@...nel.org>
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