linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v1 06/11] mm: support GUP-triggered unsharing via FAULT_FLAG

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Message-ID: <719D2770-97EF-4CF5-81E6-056B0B55A996@vmware.com>
Date:   Fri, 17 Dec 2021 23:53:20 +0000
From:   Nadav Amit <namit@...are.com>
To:     David Hildenbrand <david@...hat.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 06/11] mm: support GUP-triggered unsharing via
 FAULT_FLAG_UNSHARE (!hugetlb)


> On Dec 17, 2021, at 3:29 PM, David Hildenbrand <david@...hat.com> wrote:
> 
> On 17.12.21 23:58, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>> 
>> And you can't even do the optimistic case without taking the lock,
>> because in your world, a COW that optimistically copies in the case of
>> a race condition is fundamentally *wrong* and buggy. Because in your
>> world-view, GUP and COW are very different and have different rules,
>> but you need things to be *exact*, and they aren’t.

I understand the discussion mainly revolves correctness, which is
obviously the most important property, but I would like to mention
that having transient get_page() calls causing unnecessary COWs can
cause hard-to-analyze and hard-to-avoid performance degradation. COW
means a page copy, a TLB flush and potentially a TLB shootdown, which
is the most painful, specifically on VMs.

So I think that any solution should be able to limit the cases/number
of unnecessary COW operations to be minimal.