linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v1 06/11] mm: support GUP-triggered unsharing via FAULT_FLAG

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Message-ID: <YcNV+C6yeNLRzMH3@casper.infradead.org>
Date:   Wed, 22 Dec 2021 16:44:40 +0000
From:   Matthew Wilcox <willy@...radead.org>
To:     Jan Kara <jack@...e.cz>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 06/11] mm: support GUP-triggered unsharing via
 FAULT_FLAG_UNSHARE (!hugetlb)

On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 05:08:46PM +0100, Jan Kara wrote:
> On Wed 22-12-21 15:48:34, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > On 22.12.21 15:42, Jan Kara wrote:
> > > On Wed 22-12-21 14:09:41, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > >>>> IIUC, our COW logic makes sure that a shared anonymous page that might
> > >>>> still be used by a R/O FOLL_GET cannot be modified, because any attempt
> > >>>> to modify it would result in a copy.
> > >>>
> > >>> Well, we defined FOLL_PIN to mean the intent that the caller wants to access
> > >>> not only page state (for which is enough FOLL_GET and there are some users
> > >>> - mostly inside mm - who need this) but also page data. Eventually, we even
> > >>> wanted to make FOLL_GET unavailable to broad areas of kernel (and keep it
> > >>> internal to only MM for its dirty deeds ;)) to reduce the misuse of GUP.
> > >>>
> > >>> For file pages we need this data vs no-data access distinction so that
> > >>> filesystems can detect when someone can be accessing page data although the
> > >>> page is unmapped.  Practically, filesystems care most about when someone
> > >>> can be *modifying* page data (we need to make sure data is stable e.g. when
> > >>> writing back data to disk or doing data checksumming or other operations)
> > >>> so using FOLL_GET when wanting to only read page data should be OK for
> > >>> filesystems but honestly I would be reluctant to break the rule of "use
> > >>> FOLL_PIN when wanting to access page data" to keep things simple and
> > >>> reasonably easy to understand for parties such as filesystem developers or
> > >>> driver developers who all need to interact with pinned pages...
> > >>
> > >> Right, from an API perspective we really want people to use FOLL_PIN.
> > >>
> > >> To optimize this case in particular it would help if we would have the
> > >> FOLL flags on the unpin path. Then we could just decide internally
> > >> "well, short-term R/O FOLL_PIN can be really lightweight, we can treat
> > >> this like a FOLL_GET instead". And we would need that as well if we were
> > >> to keep different counters for R/O vs. R/W pinned.
> > > 
> > > Well, I guess the question here is: Which GUP user needs only R/O access to
> > > page data and is so performance critical that it would be worth it to
> > > sacrifice API clarity for speed? I'm not aware of any but I was not looking
> > > really hard...
> > 
> > I'd be interested in examples as well. Maybe databases that use O_DIRECT
> > after fork()?
> 
> Well, but O_DIRECT reads must use FOLL_PIN in any case because they modify
> page data (and so we need to detect them both for COW and filesystem needs).
> O_DIRECT writes could use FOLL_GET but at this point I'm not convinced it
> is worth it.

Wow, I didn't realise the plan was to make FOLL_PIN the "default".
I hoped it was weird crap that was going away soon.  Looks like we'd
better fix all the bugs in it then ...