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Date:   Tue, 11 Jan 2022 08:54:18 +0100
From:   Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@...aro.org>
To:     Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@....com>
Cc:     mingo@...hat.com, peterz@...radead.org, juri.lelli@...hat.com,
        rostedt@...dmis.org, bsegall@...gle.com, mgorman@...e.de,
        bristot@...hat.com, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        rickyiu@...gle.com, odin@...d.al, sachinp@...ux.vnet.ibm.com,
        naresh.kamboju@...aro.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] sched/pelt: Don't sync hardly util_sum with uti_avg

On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 at 16:21, Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@...aro.org> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 at 12:43, Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@....com> wrote:
> >
> > On 05/01/2022 14:57, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> > > On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 at 14:15, Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@....com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On 04/01/2022 14:42, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> > >>> On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 at 12:47, Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@....com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 22/12/2021 10:38, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> > >>
> > >> [...]
> > >>
> > >>>> I still wonder whether the regression only comes from the changes in
> > >>>> update_cfs_rq_load_avg(), introduced by 1c35b07e6d39.
> > >>>> And could be fixed only by this part of the patch-set (A):
> > >>>
> > >>> I have been able to trigger the warning even with (A) though It took
> > >>> much more time.
> > >>> And I have been able to catch wrong situations  (with additional
> > >>> traces) in the 3 places A, B and C
> > >>
> > >> OK. By wrong situation you mean '_sum < _avg * MIN_DIVIDER' ?
> > >
> > > not only.
> > > also util_sum == 0 but util_avg !=0 in different places although these
> >
> > Ah OK, I saw this one as part of '_sum < _avg * MIN_DIVIDER'.
> >
> > > situation didn't trigger sched_warn because some other sync happened
> > > before the periodic call of __update_blocked_fair
> > > or if nr_running == 1 and  and task's util_avg/sum > cfs' util_avg/sum
> > > just before removing the task
> >
> > I see.
> >
> > >>>> @@ -3677,15 +3706,22 @@ update_cfs_rq_load_avg(u64 now, struct cfs_rq
> > >>>> *cfs_rq)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     r = removed_load;
> > >>>>     sub_positive(&sa->load_avg, r);
> > >>>> -   sa->load_sum = sa->load_avg * divider;
> > >>>> +   sub_positive(&sa->load_sum, r * divider);
> > >>>> +   sa->load_sum = max_t(u32, sa->load_sum, sa->load_avg * MIN_DIVIDER);
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     r = removed_util;
> > >>>>     sub_positive(&sa->util_avg, r);
> > >>>> -   sa->util_sum = sa->util_avg * divider;
> > >>>> +   sub_positive(&sa->util_sum, r * divider);
> > >>>> +   sa->util_sum = max_t(u32, sa->util_sum, sa->util_avg * MIN_DIVIDER);
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     r = removed_runnable;
> > >>>>     sub_positive(&sa->runnable_avg, r);
> > >>>> -   sa->runnable_sum = sa->runnable_avg * divider;
> > >>>> +   sub_positive(&sa->runnable_sum, r * divider);
> > >>>> +   sa->runnable_sum = max_t(u32, sa->runnable_sum,
> > >>>> +                                 sa->runnable_avg * MIN_DIVIDER);
> > >>>>
> > >>>> i.e. w/o changing update_tg_cfs_X() (and
> > >>>> detach_entity_load_avg()/dequeue_load_avg()).
> > >>>>
> > >>>> update_load_avg()
> > >>>>   update_cfs_rq_load_avg()    <---
> > >>>>   propagate_entity_load_avg()
> > >>>>     update_tg_cfs_X()         <---
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I didn't see the SCHED_WARN_ON() [cfs_rq_is_decayed()] when looping on
> > >>>> hackbench in several different sched group levels on
> > >>>> [Hikey620 (Arm64, 8 CPUs, SMP, 4 taskgroups: A/B C/D E/F G/H), >12h uptime].
> > >>>
> > >>> IIRC, it was with hikey960 with cgroup v1
> > >>> As a side note, I never trigger the problem with dragonboard845 and cgroup v2
> > >>
> > >> OK, just started a test on hikey960 cgroupv1. Let's see if I can catch it.
> >
> > Still no sign of the issue (hikey960, cgroupv1,  4 taskgroups: A/B C/D
> > E/F G/H > 45h uptime
> >
> > >>>>> @@ -3780,7 +3799,11 @@ static void detach_entity_load_avg(struct cfs_rq *cfs_rq, struct sched_entity *s
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>       dequeue_load_avg(cfs_rq, se);
> > >>>>>       sub_positive(&cfs_rq->avg.util_avg, se->avg.util_avg);
> > >>>>> -     cfs_rq->avg.util_sum = cfs_rq->avg.util_avg * divider;
> > >>>>> +     sub_positive(&cfs_rq->avg.util_sum, se->avg.util_sum);
> > >>>>> +     /* See update_tg_cfs_util() */
> > >>>>> +     cfs_rq->avg.util_sum = max_t(u32, cfs_rq->avg.util_sum,
> > >>>>> +                                       cfs_rq->avg.util_avg * MIN_DIVIDER);
> > >>>>> +
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Maybe add a:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Fixes: fcf6631f3736 ("sched/pelt: Ensure that *_sum is always synced
> > >>>> with *_avg")
> > >>>
> > >>> I spent time thinking about adding fixes tag. There is no crash/warn
> > >>> so far so should we propagate it back in LTS for better performance ?
> > >>
> > >> Not sure I understand. What do you mean by 'should we propagate it back
> > >> in LTS'?
> > >
> > > Sorry I had any stables in mind and not only LTS.
> > >
> > > Some of the changes done in PELT signal propagation that replace
> > > subtracting util_sum  by using util_avg * divider instead, are related
> > > to other problems with sched group hierarchy and
> > > throttling/unthrottling. I'm not 100% confident that using fixes tag
> > > to backport this on stables doesn't need to backport more patches on
> > > other areas in order to not resurrect old problems. So I wonder if
> > > it's worth  backporting this on stables
> >
> > OK, I see. So only 1c35b07e6d39 (i.e. the util _sum/_avg change in
> > update_cfs_rq_load_avg() (1)) caused the CPU frequency regression. That
> > was the reason why I initially suggested to split the patch-set
> > differently. But you said that you saw the issue also when (1) is fixed.
>
> Ok, I think that we were not speaking about the same setup. I wrongly
> read that you were saying that
> sa->util_sum = max_t(u32, sa->util_sum, sa->util_avg * MIN_DIVIDER);
> was only needed in update_cfs_rq_load_avg() but not in the other places.
>
> But what you said is that we only need the below to fix the perf
> regression raised by rick ?
>      r = removed_util;
>      sub_positive(&sa->util_avg, r);
>  -   sa->util_sum = sa->util_avg * divider;
>  +   sub_positive(&sa->util_sum, r * divider);
>  +   sa->util_sum = max_t(u32, sa->util_sum, sa->util_avg * MIN_DIVIDER);

The test with the code above doesn't trigger any SCHEd_WARN over the
weekend so it's probably ok to make a dedicated patch for this with
tag.
I'm going to prepare a v2

>
> The WARN that I mentioned in my previous email was about not adding
> the max_t in all 3 places. I rerun some test today and I triggered the
> WARN after a detach without the max_t line.
>
> I can probably isolate the code above in a dedicated patch for the
> regression raised by Rick and we could consider adding a fixes tag; I
> will run more tests with only this part during the weekend.
> That being said, we need to stay consistent in all 3 places where we
> move or propagate some *_avg. In particular, using  "sa->util_sum =
> sa->util_avg * divider" has the drawback of filtering the contribution
> not already accounted for in util_avg and the impact is much larger
> than expected. It means that  although fixing only
> update_cfs_rq_load_avg() seems enough for rick's case, some other
> cases could be impacted by the 2 other places and we need to fixed
> them now that we have a better view of the root cause

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