Message-ID: <87mtiqajqj.fsf@waldekranz.com>
Date:   Wed, 16 Feb 2022 16:56:04 +0100
From:   Tobias Waldekranz <tobias@...dekranz.com>
To:     Nikolay Aleksandrov <nikolay@...dia.com>, davem@...emloft.net,
        kuba@...nel.org
Cc:     Andrew Lunn <andrew@...n.ch>,
        Vivien Didelot <vivien.didelot@...il.com>,
        Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@...il.com>,
        Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@...il.com>,
        Jiri Pirko <jiri@...nulli.us>,
        Ivan Vecera <ivecera@...hat.com>,
        Roopa Prabhu <roopa@...dia.com>,
        Russell King <linux@...linux.org.uk>, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, bridge@...ts.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [RFC net-next 0/9] net: bridge: vlan: Multiple Spanning Trees

On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 17:28, Nikolay Aleksandrov <nikolay@...dia.com> wrote:
> On 16/02/2022 15:29, Tobias Waldekranz wrote:
>> The bridge has had per-VLAN STP support for a while now, since:
>> 
>> https://lore.kernel.org/netdev/20200124114022.10883-1-nikolay@cumulusnetworks.com/
>> 
>> The current implementation has some problems:
>> 
>> - The mapping from VLAN to STP state is fixed as 1:1, i.e. each VLAN
>>   is managed independently. This is awkward from an MSTP (802.1Q-2018,
>>   Clause 13.5) point of view, where the model is that multiple VLANs
>>   are grouped into MST instances.
>> 
>>   Because of the way that the standard is written, presumably, this is
>>   also reflected in hardware implementations. It is not uncommon for a
>>   switch to support the full 4k range of VIDs, but that the pool of
>>   MST instances is much smaller. Some examples:
>> 
>>   Marvell LinkStreet (mv88e6xxx): 4k VLANs, but only 64 MSTIs
>>   Marvell Prestera: 4k VLANs, but only 128 MSTIs
>>   Microchip SparX-5i: 4k VLANs, but only 128 MSTIs
>> 
>> - By default, the feature is enabled, and there is no way to disable
>>   it. This makes it hard to add offloading in a backwards compatible
>>   way, since any underlying switchdevs have no way to refuse the
>>   function if the hardware does not support it
>> 
>> - The port-global STP state has precedence over per-VLAN states. In
>>   MSTP, as far as I understand it, all VLANs will use the common
>>   spanning tree (CST) by default - through traffic engineering you can
>>   then optimize your network to group subsets of VLANs to use
>>   different trees (MSTI). To my understanding, the way this is
>>   typically managed in silicon is roughly:
>> 
>>   Incoming packet:
>>   .----.----.--------------.----.-------------
>>   | DA | SA | 802.1Q VID=X | ET | Payload ...
>>   '----'----'--------------'----'-------------
>>                         |
>>                         '->|\     .----------------------------.
>>                            | +--> | VID | Members | ... | MSTI |
>>                    PVID -->|/     |-----|---------|-----|------|
>>                                   |   1 | 0001001 | ... |    0 |
>>                                   |   2 | 0001010 | ... |   10 |
>>                                   |   3 | 0001100 | ... |   10 |
>>                                   '----------------------------'
>>                                                              |
>>                                .-----------------------------'
>>                                |  .------------------------.
>>                                '->| MSTI | Fwding | Lrning |
>>                                   |------|--------|--------|
>>                                   |    0 | 111110 | 111110 |
>>                                   |   10 | 110111 | 110111 |
>>                                   '------------------------'
>> 
>>   What this is trying to show is that the STP state (whether MSTP is
>>   used, or ye olde STP) is always accessed via the VLAN table. If STP
>>   is running, all MSTI pointers in that table will reference the same
>>   index in the STP stable - if MSTP is running, some VLANs may point
>>   to other trees (like in this example).
>> 
>>   The fact that in the Linux bridge, the global state (think: index 0
>>   in most hardware implementations) is supposed to override the
>>   per-VLAN state, is very awkward to offload. In effect, this means
>>   that when the global state changes to blocking, drivers will have to
>>   iterate over all MSTIs in use, and alter them all to match. This
>>   also means that you have to cache whether the hardware state is
>>   currently tracking the global state or the per-VLAN state. In the
>>   first case, you also have to cache the per-VLAN state so that you
>>   can restore it if the global state transitions back to forwarding.
>> 
>> This series adds support for an arbitrary M:N mapping of VIDs to
>> MSTIs, proposing one solution to the first issue. An example of an
>> offload implementation for mv88e6xxx is also provided. Offloading is
>> done on a best-effort basis, i.e. notifications of the relevant events
>> are generated, but there is no way for the user to see whether the
>> per-VLAN state has been offloaded or not. There is also no handling of
>> the relationship between the port-global state the the per-VLAN ditto.
>> 
>> If I was king of net/bridge/*, I would make the following additional
>> changes:
>> 
>> - By default, when a VLAN is created, assign it to MSTID 0, which
>>   would mean that no per-VLAN state is used and that packets belonging
>>   to this VLAN should be filtered according to the port-global state.
>> 
>>   This way, when a VLAN is configured to use a separate tree (setting
>>   a non-zero MSTID), an underlying switchdev could oppose it if it is
>>   not supported.
>> 
>>   Obviously, this adds an extra step for existing users of per-VLAN
>>   STP states and would thus not be backwards compatible. Maybe this
>>   means that that is impossible to do, maybe not.
>> 
>> - Swap the precedence of the port-global and the per-VLAN state,
>>   i.e. the port-global state only applies to packets belonging to
>>   VLANs that does not make use of a per-VLAN state (MSTID != 0).
>> 
>>   This would make the offloading much more natural, as you avoid all
>>   of the caching stuff described above.
>> 
>>   Again, this changes the behavior of the kernel so it is not
>>   backwards compatible. I suspect that this is less of an issue
>>   though, since my guess is that very few people rely on the old
>>   behavior.
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>
> Interesting! Would adding a new (e.g. vlan_mst_enable) option which changes the behaviour
> as described help? It can require that there are no vlans present to change 
> similar to the per-port vlan stats option.

Great idea, I did not know that that's how vlan stats worked. I will
definitely look into it, thanks!

> Also based on that option you can alter
> how the state checks are performed. For example, you can skip the initial port state
> check, then in br_vlan_allowed_ingress() you can use the port state if vlan filtering
> is disabled and mst enabled and you can avoid checking it altogether if filter && mst
> are enabled then always use the vlan mst state. Similar changes would have to happen
> for the egress path. Since we are talking about multiple tests the new MST logic can
> be hidden behind a static key for both br_handle_frame() and later stages.

Makes sense.

So should we keep the current per-VLAN state as-is then?  And bolt the
MST on to the side? I.e. should `struct net_bridge_vlan` both have `u8
state` for the current implementation _and_ a `struct br_vlan_mst *`
that is populated for VLANs tied to a non-zero MSTI?

> This set needs to read a new cache line to fetch mst ptr for all packets in the vlan fast-path,
> that is definitely undesirable. Please either cache that state in the vlan and update it when
> something changes, or think of some way which avoids that cache line in fast-path.
> Alternative would be to make that cache line dependent on the new option, so it's needed
> only when mst feature is enabled.

If we go with the approach I suggested above, then the current `u8
state` on `struct net_bridge_vlan` could be that cache, right?

With the current implementation, it is set directly - in the new MST
mode all grouped VLANs would have their states updated when updating the
MSTI's state.

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