linux-kernel - Re: propagating vmgenid outward and upward

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Message-ID: <20220302122640-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
Date:   Wed, 2 Mar 2022 12:27:24 -0500
From:   "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>
To:     "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@...c4.com>
Cc:     Laszlo Ersek <lersek@...hat.com>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        KVM list <kvm@...r.kernel.org>,
        QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@...gnu.org>,
        linux-hyperv@...r.kernel.org,
        Linux Crypto Mailing List <linux-crypto@...r.kernel.org>,
        Alexander Graf <graf@...zon.com>,
        "Michael Kelley (LINUX)" <mikelley@...rosoft.com>,
        Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        adrian@...ity.io,
        Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@...hat.com>,
        Dominik Brodowski <linux@...inikbrodowski.net>,
        Jann Horn <jannh@...gle.com>,
        "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@...nel.org>,
        "Brown, Len" <len.brown@...el.com>, Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>,
        Linux PM <linux-pm@...r.kernel.org>,
        Colm MacCarthaigh <colmmacc@...zon.com>,
        Theodore Ts'o <tytso@....edu>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>
Subject: Re: propagating vmgenid outward and upward

On Wed, Mar 02, 2022 at 05:32:07PM +0100, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote:
> Hi Michael,
> 
> On Wed, Mar 02, 2022 at 11:22:46AM -0500, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > Because that 16 byte read of vmgenid is not atomic. Let's say you read
> > > the first 8 bytes, and then the VM is forked.
> > 
> > But at this point when VM was forked plaintext key and nonce are all in
> > buffer, and you previously indicated a fork at this point is harmless.
> > You wrote "If it changes _after_ that point of check ... it doesn't
> > matter:"
> 
> Ahhh, fair point. I think you're right.
> 
> Alright, so all we're talking about here is an ordinary 16-byte read,
> and 16 bytes of storage per keypair, and a 16-byte comparison.
> 
> Still seems much worse than just having a single word...
> 
> Jason

And it is, I saw a 30% higher overhead, it is however 30% of a very
low number ;)

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