linux-kernel - Re: Report 2 in ext4 and journal based on v5.17-rc1

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Date:   Fri, 4 Mar 2022 09:42:37 +0900
From:   Byungchul Park <byungchul.park@....com>
To:     Theodore Ts'o <tytso@....edu>
Cc:     damien.lemoal@...nsource.wdc.com, linux-ide@...r.kernel.org,
        adilger.kernel@...ger.ca, linux-ext4@...r.kernel.org,
        torvalds@...ux-foundation.org, mingo@...hat.com,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, peterz@...radead.org,
        will@...nel.org, tglx@...utronix.de, rostedt@...dmis.org,
        joel@...lfernandes.org, sashal@...nel.org, daniel.vetter@...ll.ch,
        chris@...is-wilson.co.uk, duyuyang@...il.com,
        johannes.berg@...el.com, tj@...nel.org, willy@...radead.org,
        david@...morbit.com, amir73il@...il.com, bfields@...ldses.org,
        gregkh@...uxfoundation.org, kernel-team@....com,
        linux-mm@...ck.org, akpm@...ux-foundation.org, mhocko@...nel.org,
        minchan@...nel.org, hannes@...xchg.org, vdavydov.dev@...il.com,
        sj@...nel.org, jglisse@...hat.com, dennis@...nel.org, cl@...ux.com,
        penberg@...nel.org, rientjes@...gle.com, vbabka@...e.cz,
        ngupta@...are.org, linux-block@...r.kernel.org,
        paolo.valente@...aro.org, josef@...icpanda.com,
        linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org, viro@...iv.linux.org.uk,
        jack@...e.cz, jack@...e.com, jlayton@...nel.org,
        dan.j.williams@...el.com, hch@...radead.org, djwong@...nel.org,
        dri-devel@...ts.freedesktop.org, airlied@...ux.ie,
        rodrigosiqueiramelo@...il.com, melissa.srw@...il.com,
        hamohammed.sa@...il.com
Subject: Re: Report 2 in ext4 and journal based on v5.17-rc1

On Thu, Mar 03, 2022 at 09:36:25AM -0500, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 03, 2022 at 02:23:33PM +0900, Byungchul Park wrote:
> > I totally agree with you. *They aren't really locks but it's just waits
> > and wakeups.* That's exactly why I decided to develop Dept. Dept is not
> > interested in locks unlike Lockdep, but fouces on waits and wakeup
> > sources itself. I think you get Dept wrong a lot. Please ask me more if
> > you have things you doubt about Dept.
> 
> So the question is this --- do you now understand why, even though
> there is a circular dependency, nothing gets stalled in the
> interactions between the two wait channels?

??? I'm afraid I don't get you.

All contexts waiting for any of the events in the circular dependency
chain will be definitely stuck if there is a circular dependency as I
explained. So we need another wakeup source to break the circle. In
ext4 code, you might have the wakeup source for breaking the circle.

What I agreed with is:

   The case that 1) the circular dependency is unevitable 2) there are
   another wakeup source for breadking the circle and 3) the duration
   in sleep is short enough, should be acceptable.

Sounds good?

Thanks,
Byungchul