Message-ID: <105e1620-5cf2-fecd-27e7-21a6045cc3ac@suse.cz>
Date:   Wed, 9 Mar 2022 13:41:43 +0100
From:   Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@...e.cz>
To:     Hugh Dickins <hughd@...gle.com>,
        Liam Howlett <liam.howlett@...cle.com>
Cc:     Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...hat.com>,
        "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        "linux-mm@...ck.org" <linux-mm@...ck.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH mmotm] mempolicy: mbind_range() set_policy() after
 vma_merge()

On 3/8/22 22:32, Hugh Dickins wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Mar 2022, Liam Howlett wrote:
>> * Hugh Dickins <hughd@...gle.com> [220304 21:29]:
>> > On Sat, 5 Mar 2022, Liam Howlett wrote:
>> > > * Hugh Dickins <hughd@...gle.com> [220304 17:48]:
>> > > > On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, Liam Howlett wrote:
>> > > > > * Liam R. Howlett <Liam.Howlett@...cle.com> [220304 13:49]:
>> > > > > > * Hugh Dickins <hughd@...gle.com> [220303 23:36]:
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > I just thought of something after my initial email
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > How does the ->set_policy() requirement on tmpfs play out for the
>> > > > > mpol_equal() check earlier in that for loop?
>> > > > 
>> > > > It took me a while to page all this back in (and remind myself of
>> > > > what is case 8) to answer that question!
>> > > > 
>> > > > The answer is that the mpol_equal() check at the top of the loop is on
>> > > > an existing, unmodified vma; so it's right to assume that any necessary
>> > > > set_policy() has already been done.
>> > > > 
>> > > > Whereas the mpol_equal() check being removed in this patch, is being
>> > > > done on a vma which may have just been extended to cover a greater range:
>> > > > so although the relevant set_policy() may have already been done on a part
>> > > > of its range, there is now another part which needs the policy applied.
>> > > 
>> > > Doesn't the policy get checked during vma_merge()?  Specifically the
>> > > mpol_equal(policy, vma_policy(next)) check?
>> > 
>> > Sorry, I'm reduced to the unhelpful reply of "Yes. So?"
>> > 
>> > If vma_merge() finds that vma's new_pol allows it to be merged with prev,
>> > that still requires mbind_range() (or its call to vma_replace_policy())
>> > to set_policy() on prev (now assigned to vma), to apply that new_pol to
>> > the extension of prev - vma_merge() would have checked mpol_equal(),
>> > but would not have done the set_policy().
>> 
>> I must be missing something.  If mpol_equal() isn't sufficient to ensure
>> we don't need to set_policy(), then why are the other vma_merge() cases
>> okay - such as madvise_update_vma() and mlock_fixup()?  Won't the mem
>> policy change in the same way in these cases?
> 
> mlock provides a good example to compare.
> 
> Mlocking pages is the business of mlock(), and mlock_fixup() needs to
> attend to mm->locked_vm, and calling something to mark as PageMlocked
> those pages already in the area now covered by mlock.  But it doesn't
> need to worry about set_policy(), that's not its business, and is
> unaffected by mlock changes (though merging of vmas needs mpol_equal()
> to check that policy is the same, and merging and splitting of vmas
> need to maintain the refcount of the shared policy if any).
> 
> Whereas NUMA mempolicy is the business of mbind(), and mbind_range()
> needs to attend to vma->vm_policy, and if it's a mapping of something
> supporting a shared set_policy(), call that to establish the new range
> on the object mapped.  But it doesn't need to worry about mm->locked_vm
> or whether pages are Mlocked, that's not its business, and is unaffected
> by mbind changes (though merging of vmas needs to check VM_LOCKED among
> other flags to check that they are the same before it can merge).

So if I understand correctly, we have case 8 of vma_merge():

    AAAA
PPPPNNNNXXXX
becomes
PPPPXXXXXXXX 8

N is vma with some old policy different from new_pol
A is the range where we change to new policy new_pol, which happens to be
the same as existing policy of X
Thus vma_merge() extends vma X to include range A - the vma N
vma_merge() succeeds because it's passed new_pol to do the compatibility
checks (although N still has the previous policy)

Before Hugh's patch we would then realize "oh X already has new_pol, nothing
to do". Note that this AFAICS doesn't affect actual pages migration between
nodes, because that happens outside of mbind_range(). But it causes us to
skip vma_replace_policy(), which causes us to skip vm_ops->set_policy, where
tmpfs does something important (we could maybe argue that Hugh didn't
specify the user visible effects of this exactly enough :) what is "leaving
the new mbind unenforced" - are pages not migrated in this case?).

HTH (if I'm right),
Vlastimil

> Does that help?
> 
> Hugh
> 

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