linux-kernel - Re: [REGRESSION] Recent swiotlb DMA_FROM

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Message-ID: <CAHk-=whUQCCaQXJt3KUeQ8mtnLeVXEScNXCp+_DYh2SNY7EcEA@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Thu, 24 Mar 2022 12:26:53 -0700
From:   Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
To:     Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@...e.dk>
Cc:     Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@....com>,
        Christoph Hellwig <hch@....de>,
        Maxime Bizon <mbizon@...ebox.fr>,
        Oleksandr Natalenko <oleksandr@...alenko.name>,
        Halil Pasic <pasic@...ux.ibm.com>,
        Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@...sung.com>,
        Kalle Valo <kvalo@...nel.org>,
        "David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
        Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>,
        Paolo Abeni <pabeni@...hat.com>,
        Olha Cherevyk <olha.cherevyk@...il.com>,
        iommu <iommu@...ts.linux-foundation.org>,
        linux-wireless <linux-wireless@...r.kernel.org>,
        Netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        stable <stable@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [REGRESSION] Recent swiotlb DMA_FROM_DEVICE fixes break
 ath9k-based AP

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 10:07 AM Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@...e.dk> wrote:
>
> Right, but is that sync_for_device call really needed?

Well, imagine that you have a non-cache-coherent DMA (not bounce
buffers - just bad hardware)...

So the driver first does that dma_sync_single_for_cpu() for the CPU
see the current state (for the non-cache-coherent case it would just
invalidate caches).

The driver then examines the command buffer state, sees that it's
still in progress, and does that return -EINPROGRESS.

It's actually very natural in that situation to flush the caches from
the CPU side again. And so dma_sync_single_for_device() is a fairly
reasonable thing to do in that situation.

But it doesn't seem *required*, no. The CPU caches only have a copy of
the data in them, no writeback needed (and writeback wouldn't work
since DMA from the device may be in progress).

So I don't think the dma_sync_single_for_device() is *wrong* per se,
because the CPU didn't actually do any modifications.

But yes, I think it's unnecessary - because any later CPU accesses
would need that dma_sync_single_for_cpu() anyway, which should
invalidate any stale caches.

And it clearly doesn't work in a bounce-buffer situation, but honestly
I don't think a "CPU modified buffers concurrently with DMA" can
*ever* work in that situation, so I think it's wrong for a bounce
buffer model to ever do anything in the dma_sync_single_for_device()
situation.

Does removing that dma_sync_single_for_device() actually fix the
problem for the ath driver?

There's a fair number of those dma_sync_single_for_device() things all
over. Could we find mis-uses and warn about them some way? It seems to
be a very natural thing to do in this context, but bounce buffering
does make them very fragile.

                 Linus