linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH] random: allow writes to /dev/urandom to influence fast init

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Message-ID: <CAHmME9p7k2Z2f3aYctHxV9oNwe_GKd62Sghh9Ck1-nRyPaEypA@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Thu, 24 Mar 2022 14:25:17 -0600
From:   "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@...c4.com>
To:     Eric Biggers <ebiggers@...nel.org>
Cc:     linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-crypto@...r.kernel.org,
        Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Guenter Roeck <linux@...ck-us.net>,
        Dominik Brodowski <linux@...inikbrodowski.net>,
        "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@....edu>, Jann Horn <jannh@...gle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] random: allow writes to /dev/urandom to influence fast init

Hi Eric,

On 3/24/22, Eric Biggers <ebiggers@...nel.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 01:14:36PM -0600, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote:
>> For as far back as I can tell, writing to /dev/urandom or /dev/random
>> will put entropy into the pool, but won't immediately use it, and won't
>> credit it either.
>
> Did you check kernels v4.7 and earlier?  It looks like this actually changed
> in
> v4.8 when the ChaCha20 CRNG was introduced.  v4.7 would mix the data written
> to
> /dev/{u,}random into {non,}blocking_pool, which would immediately be
> reflected
> in reads from /dev/{u,}random, sys_getrandom(), and get_random_bytes().
> Writes
> to /dev/{u,}random didn't affect the input_pool, which was separate.

Oh, I suppose you might be right, actually, that v4.7 and below would
hash the non blocking pool, and let /dev/urandom write directly into
it, as something distinct from the input pool. This changed with v4.8,
6 years ago, and now there are no LTS kernels that old, with most
small devices even having vendor kernels v4.9+. v4.8 apparently did
this while fixing a more extreme vulnerability of allowing
unprivileged users to bruteforce input bytes (in addition to allowing
unbounded unprivileged lock contention). Of those who have been
seeding via /dev/random, the ones who additionally issued the ioctl to
credit those bits haven't been affected since the crediting solved the
issue by invoking a reseeding. And those who didn't issue the ioctl
never had their RNG initialize in the first place, causing getrandom()
to block until entropy was collected from elsewhere, until it was
safe, so the harm there was minimal. So it's not great, but it's not
horrific either, and I still think the cons strongly outweigh the pros
in trying to change the behavior from what it is now.

Jason