Message-Id: <Z63I9R.MKYUKBH4V8L41@crapouillou.net>
Date:   Tue, 29 Mar 2022 10:47:23 +0100
From:   Paul Cercueil <paul@...pouillou.net>
To:     Daniel Vetter <daniel@...ll.ch>
Cc:     Jonathan Cameron <jic23@...nel.org>,
        Michael Hennerich <Michael.Hennerich@...log.com>,
        Jonathan Corbet <corbet@....net>, linux-iio@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-doc@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        dri-devel@...ts.freedesktop.org, linaro-mm-sig@...ts.linaro.org,
        Alexandru Ardelean <ardeleanalex@...il.com>,
        Christian König <christian.koenig@....com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 12/12] Documentation: iio: Document high-speed DMABUF
 based API

Hi Daniel,

Le mar., mars 29 2022 at 10:54:43 +0200, Daniel Vetter 
<daniel@...ll.ch> a écrit :
> On Mon, Feb 07, 2022 at 01:01:40PM +0000, Paul Cercueil wrote:
>>  Document the new DMABUF based API.
>> 
>>  v2: - Explicitly state that the new interface is optional and is
>>        not implemented by all drivers.
>>      - The IOCTLs can now only be called on the buffer FD returned by
>>        IIO_BUFFER_GET_FD_IOCTL.
>>      - Move the page up a bit in the index since it is core stuff 
>> and not
>>        driver-specific.
>> 
>>  Signed-off-by: Paul Cercueil <paul@...pouillou.net>
>>  ---
>>   Documentation/driver-api/dma-buf.rst |  2 +
>>   Documentation/iio/dmabuf_api.rst     | 94 
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>   Documentation/iio/index.rst          |  2 +
>>   3 files changed, 98 insertions(+)
>>   create mode 100644 Documentation/iio/dmabuf_api.rst
>> 
>>  diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/dma-buf.rst 
>> b/Documentation/driver-api/dma-buf.rst
>>  index 2cd7db82d9fe..d3c9b58d2706 100644
>>  --- a/Documentation/driver-api/dma-buf.rst
>>  +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/dma-buf.rst
>>  @@ -1,3 +1,5 @@
>>  +.. _dma-buf:
>>  +
>>   Buffer Sharing and Synchronization
>>   ==================================
>> 
>>  diff --git a/Documentation/iio/dmabuf_api.rst 
>> b/Documentation/iio/dmabuf_api.rst
>>  new file mode 100644
>>  index 000000000000..43bb2c1b9fdc
>>  --- /dev/null
>>  +++ b/Documentation/iio/dmabuf_api.rst
>>  @@ -0,0 +1,94 @@
>>  +===================================
>>  +High-speed DMABUF interface for IIO
>>  +===================================
>>  +
>>  +1. Overview
>>  +===========
>>  +
>>  +The Industrial I/O subsystem supports access to buffers through a 
>> file-based
>>  +interface, with read() and write() access calls through the IIO 
>> device's dev
>>  +node.
>>  +
>>  +It additionally supports a DMABUF based interface, where the 
>> userspace
>>  +application can allocate and append DMABUF objects to the buffer's 
>> queue.
>>  +This interface is however optional and is not available in all 
>> drivers.
>>  +
>>  +The advantage of this DMABUF based interface vs. the read()
>>  +interface, is that it avoids an extra copy of the data between the
>>  +kernel and userspace. This is particularly useful for high-speed
>>  +devices which produce several megabytes or even gigabytes of data 
>> per
>>  +second.
>>  +
>>  +The data in this DMABUF interface is managed at the granularity of
>>  +DMABUF objects. Reducing the granularity from byte level to block 
>> level
>>  +is done to reduce the userspace-kernelspace synchronization 
>> overhead
>>  +since performing syscalls for each byte at a few Mbps is just not
>>  +feasible.
>>  +
>>  +This of course leads to a slightly increased latency. For this 
>> reason an
>>  +application can choose the size of the DMABUFs as well as how many 
>> it
>>  +allocates. E.g. two DMABUFs would be a traditional double buffering
>>  +scheme. But using a higher number might be necessary to avoid
>>  +underflow/overflow situations in the presence of scheduling 
>> latencies.
> 
> So this reads a lot like reinventing io-uring with pre-registered 
> O_DIRECT
> memory ranges. Except it's using dma-buf and hand-rolling a lot of 
> pieces
> instead of io-uring and O_DIRECT.

I don't see how io_uring would help us. It's an async I/O framework, 
does it allow us to access a kernel buffer without copying the data? 
Does it allow us to zero-copy the data to a network interface?

> At least if the entire justification for dma-buf support is zero-copy
> support between the driver and userspace it's _really_ not the right 
> tool
> for the job. dma-buf is for zero-copy between devices, with cpu access
> from userpace (or kernel fwiw) being very much the exception (and 
> often
> flat-out not supported at all).

We want both. Using dma-bufs for the driver/userspace interface is a 
convenience as we then have a unique API instead of two distinct ones.

Why should CPU access from userspace be the exception? It works fine 
for IIO dma-bufs. You keep warning about this being a terrible design, 
but I simply don't see it.

Cheers,
-Paul

>>  +
>>  +2. User API
>>  +===========
>>  +
>>  +``IIO_BUFFER_DMABUF_ALLOC_IOCTL(struct iio_dmabuf_alloc_req *)``
>>  +----------------------------------------------------------------
>>  +
>>  +Each call will allocate a new DMABUF object. The return value (if 
>> not
>>  +a negative errno value as error) will be the file descriptor of 
>> the new
>>  +DMABUF.
>>  +
>>  +``IIO_BUFFER_DMABUF_ENQUEUE_IOCTL(struct iio_dmabuf *)``
>>  +--------------------------------------------------------
>>  +
>>  +Place the DMABUF object into the queue pending for hardware 
>> process.
>>  +
>>  +These two IOCTLs have to be performed on the IIO buffer's file
>>  +descriptor, obtained using the `IIO_BUFFER_GET_FD_IOCTL` ioctl.
>>  +
>>  +3. Usage
>>  +========
>>  +
>>  +To access the data stored in a block by userspace the block must be
>>  +mapped to the process's memory. This is done by calling mmap() on 
>> the
>>  +DMABUF's file descriptor.
>>  +
>>  +Before accessing the data through the map, you must use the
>>  +DMA_BUF_IOCTL_SYNC(struct dma_buf_sync *) ioctl, with the
>>  +DMA_BUF_SYNC_START flag, to make sure that the data is available.
>>  +This call may block until the hardware is done with this block. 
>> Once
>>  +you are done reading or writing the data, you must use this ioctl 
>> again
>>  +with the DMA_BUF_SYNC_END flag, before enqueueing the DMABUF to the
>>  +kernel's queue.
>>  +
>>  +If you need to know when the hardware is done with a DMABUF, you 
>> can
>>  +poll its file descriptor for the EPOLLOUT event.
>>  +
>>  +Finally, to destroy a DMABUF object, simply call close() on its 
>> file
>>  +descriptor.
>>  +
>>  +For more information about manipulating DMABUF objects, see: 
>> :ref:`dma-buf`.
>>  +
>>  +A typical workflow for the new interface is:
>>  +
>>  +    for block in blocks:
>>  +      DMABUF_ALLOC block
>>  +      mmap block
>>  +
>>  +    enable buffer
>>  +
>>  +    while !done
>>  +      for block in blocks:
>>  +        DMABUF_ENQUEUE block
>>  +
>>  +        DMABUF_SYNC_START block
>>  +        process data
>>  +        DMABUF_SYNC_END block
>>  +
>>  +    disable buffer
>>  +
>>  +    for block in blocks:
>>  +      close block
>>  diff --git a/Documentation/iio/index.rst 
>> b/Documentation/iio/index.rst
>>  index 58b7a4ebac51..669deb67ddee 100644
>>  --- a/Documentation/iio/index.rst
>>  +++ b/Documentation/iio/index.rst
>>  @@ -9,4 +9,6 @@ Industrial I/O
>> 
>>      iio_configfs
>> 
>>  +   dmabuf_api
>>  +
>>      ep93xx_adc
>>  --
>>  2.34.1
>> 
> 
> --
> Daniel Vetter
> Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
> http://blog.ffwll.ch

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