linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v5 00/13] KVM: mm: fd-based approach for supporting KVM guest private memory

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Date:   Fri, 01 Apr 2022 12:56:50 -0700
From:   "Andy Lutomirski" <luto@...nel.org>
To:     "Quentin Perret" <qperret@...gle.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 00/13] KVM: mm: fd-based approach for supporting KVM guest
 private memory

On Fri, Apr 1, 2022, at 7:59 AM, Quentin Perret wrote:
> On Thursday 31 Mar 2022 at 09:04:56 (-0700), Andy Lutomirski wrote:

> To answer your original question about memory 'conversion', the key
> thing is that the pKVM hypervisor controls the stage-2 page-tables for
> everyone in the system, all guests as well as the host. As such, a page
> 'conversion' is nothing more than a permission change in the relevant
> page-tables.
>

So I can see two different ways to approach this.

One is that you split the whole address space in half and, just like SEV and TDX, allocate one bit to indicate the shared/private status of a page.  This makes it work a lot like SEV and TDX.

The other is to have shared and private pages be distinguished only by their hypercall history and the (protected) page tables.  This saves some address space and some page table allocations, but it opens some cans of worms too.  In particular, the guest and the hypervisor need to coordinate, in a way that the guest can trust, to ensure that the guest's idea of which pages are private match the host's.  This model seems a bit harder to support nicely with the private memory fd model, but not necessarily impossible.

Also, what are you trying to accomplish by having the host userspace mmap private pages?  Is the idea that multiple guest could share the same page until such time as one of them tries to write to it?  That would be kind of like having a third kind of memory that's visible to host and guests but is read-only for everyone.  TDX and SEV can't support this at all (a private page belongs to one guest and one guest only, at least in SEV and in the current TDX SEAM spec).  I imagine that this could be supported with private memory fds with some care without mmap, though -- the host could still populate the page with memcpy.  Or I suppose a memslot could support using MAP_PRIVATE fds and have approximately the right semantics.

--Andy