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Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 10:35:59 -0400
From: Alan Stern <stern@...land.harvard.edu>
To: Oliver Neukum <oneukum@...e.com>
Cc: Evan Green <evgreen@...omium.org>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
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Rajat Jain <rajatja@...omium.org>,
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Wei Ming Chen <jj251510319013@...il.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/2] USB: Quiesce interrupts across pm freeze
On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 09:05:53AM +0200, Oliver Neukum wrote:
>
>
> On 18.04.22 23:00, Evan Green wrote:
> > The documentation for the freeze() method says that it "should quiesce
> > the device so that it doesn't generate IRQs or DMA". The unspoken
> > consequence of not doing this is that MSIs aimed at non-boot CPUs may
> > get fully lost if they're sent during the period where the target CPU is
> > offline.
> >
> > The current behavior of the USB subsystem still allows interrupts to
> > come in after freeze, both in terms of remote wakeups and HC events
> > related to things like root plug port activity. This can get controllers
> > like XHCI, which is very sensitive to lost interrupts, in a wedged
> > state. This series attempts to fully quiesce interrupts coming from USB
> > across in a freeze or quiescent state.
> >
> > These patches are grouped together because they serve a united purpose,
> > but are actually independent. They could be merged or reverted
> > individually.
> Hi,
>
> sorry for being a bit late in this discussion. There was something that
> I didn't remember immediately.
>
> We have a set of quirky devices that need HID_QUIRK_ALWAYS_POLL.
> They have the nasty firmware bug that, if you suspend them without
> remote wakeup, they will crash or reset themselves.
> I am afraid that has an obvious relevance to your cool patches.
> I am not completely sure how to deal with this. It seems to me that the
> quirk will need to be shifted from HID to core USB and thaw() needs to
> be translated into usb_device_reset() + reset_resume() for them,
> but I am not really sure about the optimal mechanism.
We may not need to do anything. This patch specifically addresses
hibernation, not system suspend or runtime suspend. A device crashing
or resetting during hibernation is not at all unusual; we should be able
to handle such cases properly.
The THAW part of suspend-to-hibernation is used only for writing the
memory image to permanent storage. I doubt that a malfunctioning HID
device would interfere with this process.
Alan Stern
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