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Message-ID: <CAMuHMdVyjZzuNTrinRddt=nRDU-=tb+vgweemaOpG6QWsKC=JQ@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Tue, 10 May 2022 11:20:40 +0200
From:   Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@...ux-m68k.org>
To:     Will Deacon <will@...nel.org>
Cc:     Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@....com>,
        Mark Brown <broonie@...nel.org>,
        Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org>,
        Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] arm64: ARM Scalable Matrix Extension is ARMv9-A

Hi Will,

On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 11:15 AM Will Deacon <will@...nel.org> wrote:
> On Mon, May 09, 2022 at 03:40:30PM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > The help text for the config option to enable support for the ARM
> > Scalable Matrix Extension does not mention the specification baseline
> > for this extension.  Make it clear this is an extension for the ARMv9-A
> > architecture, so users know when it is safe to disable this option,
> > which is enabled by default.
> >
> > Fixes: a1f4ccd25cc25625 ("arm64/sme: Provide Kconfig for SME")
> > Signed-off-by: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert+renesas@...der.be>

> > --- a/arch/arm64/Kconfig
> > +++ b/arch/arm64/Kconfig
> > @@ -1964,9 +1964,9 @@ config ARM64_SME
> >       default y
> >       depends on ARM64_SVE
> >       help
> > -       The Scalable Matrix Extension (SME) is an extension to the AArch64
> > -       execution state which utilises a substantial subset of the SVE
> > -       instruction set, together with the addition of new architectural
> > +       The Scalable Matrix Extension (SME) is an ARMv9-A extension to the
> > +       AArch64 execution state which utilises a substantial subset of the
> > +       SVE instruction set, together with the addition of new architectural
>
> Why is this useful information? The v9 vs v8 distinction is purely a

Because I tend to disable support for extensions that are not present
in Renesas SoCs in the (local) renesas_defconfig.
If it's ARMv9, I know it's not present in e.g. Cortex-A57 or A-76.

> marketing thing, so I'd be _very_ wary of drawing any technical conclusions
> based on that, especially as Arm have a track record for "backporting"
> features into older CPUs if there is demand for it. Do you know what the
> toolchains have done here? (i.e. is there march=armv9-a or can you do
> march=armv8-a+sme or something else?).

I have no idea.  This option doesn't seem to control any compiler
flags?

> Having said all that, we do already have the Kconfig menu entries for "Armv8.x
> architectural features", so adding one for "Armv9" would be consistent with
> that if you really want it.

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

                        Geert

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