linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v10 2/7] KEYS: trusted: allow use of kernel RNG for key material

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Message-ID: <21250bc0-623b-f11d-7dbf-458d144b7963@pengutronix.de>
Date:   Tue, 17 May 2022 19:52:51 +0200
From:   Ahmad Fatoum <a.fatoum@...gutronix.de>
To:     "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@...c4.com>
Cc:     James Bottomley <jejb@...ux.ibm.com>,
        Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@...nel.org>,
        Mimi Zohar <zohar@...ux.ibm.com>,
        David Howells <dhowells@...hat.com>, kernel@...gutronix.de,
        Sumit Garg <sumit.garg@...aro.org>,
        Pankaj Gupta <pankaj.gupta@....com>,
        David Gstir <david@...ma-star.at>,
        Michael Walle <michael@...le.cc>,
        John Ernberg <john.ernberg@...ia.se>,
        James Morris <jmorris@...ei.org>,
        "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@...lyn.com>,
        Horia Geantă <horia.geanta@....com>,
        Herbert Xu <herbert@...dor.apana.org.au>,
        "David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
        Jan Luebbe <j.luebbe@...gutronix.de>,
        Eric Biggers <ebiggers@...nel.org>,
        Richard Weinberger <richard@....at>,
        Franck LENORMAND <franck.lenormand@....com>,
        Matthias Schiffer <matthias.schiffer@...tq-group.com>,
        keyrings@...r.kernel.org, linux-crypto@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-integrity@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-security-module@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 2/7] KEYS: trusted: allow use of kernel RNG for key
 material

Hello Jason,

On 17.05.22 19:27, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote:
> On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 04:57:00PM +0200, Ahmad Fatoum wrote:
>> +	trusted.rng=	[KEYS]
>> +			Format: <string>
>> +			The RNG used to generate key material for trusted keys.
>> +			Can be one of:
>> +			- "kernel"
>> +			- the same value as trusted.source: "tpm" or "tee"
>> +			- "default"
>> +			If not specified, "default" is used. In this case,
>> +			the RNG's choice is left to each individual trust source.
>> +
> 
> As a general mechanism, I object to this. The kernel's RNG must be
> trusted in the first place for key material. That's the whole point of
> it.
> 
> However, it sounds like you're not proposing a general mechanism, but
> just something particular to this "trusted keys" business.

The two currently upstream trust sources (trusted key backends) each provide
their own RNG callback. This series adds a third backend that uses kernel RNG
and additionally provides users of the two existing trust sources the option
to benefit from kernel RNG as well.

> this should be a module flag, and thus not documented here, but rather
> some place namespaced to your trusted keys stuff. "trusted_keys.preferred_rng={whatever}"

The trusted keys module is trusted.ko and directly before my added lines is
the trusted.source=  documentation, so I think this is already at the correct place.

Thanks,
Ahmad

> 
> Jason
> 


-- 
Pengutronix e.K.                           |                             |
Steuerwalder Str. 21                       | http://www.pengutronix.de/  |
31137 Hildesheim, Germany                  | Phone: +49-5121-206917-0    |
Amtsgericht Hildesheim, HRA 2686           | Fax:   +49-5121-206917-5555 |