linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v8 0/8] x86: Show in sysfs if a memory node is able to do encryption

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Date:   Wed, 18 May 2022 22:23:01 +0200
From:   Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>
To:     Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@...el.com>
Cc:     Richard Hughes <hughsient@...il.com>,
        Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...el.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 0/8] x86: Show in sysfs if a memory node is able to do
 encryption

On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 11:28:49AM -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 12:53 AM Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 09:39:06AM +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
> > > This is still something consumers need; at the moment users have no
> > > idea if data is *actually* being encrypted.
> >
> > As it was already pointed out - that's in /proc/cpuinfo.
> 
> For TME you still need to compare it against the EFI memory map as
> there are exclusion ranges for things like persistent memory. Given
> that persistent memory can be forced into volatile "System RAM"
> operation by various command line options and driver overrides, you
> need to at least trim the assumptions of what is encrypted to the
> default "conventional memory" conveyed by platform firmware / BIOS.

So SME/SEV also has some exceptions to which memory is encrypted and
which not. Doing device IO would be one example where you simply cannot
encrypt.

But that wasn't the original question - the original question is whether
memory encryption is enabled on the system.

Now, the nodes way of describing what is encrypted and what not is
not enough either when you want to determine whether an arbitrary
transaction is being done encrypted or not. You can do silly things
as mapping a page decrypted even if the underlying hardware can do
encryption and every other page is encrypted and still think that that
page is encrypted too. But that would be a lie.

So the whole problem space needs to be specified with a lot more detail
as to what exact information userspace is going to need and how we can
provide it to it.

-- 
Regards/Gruss,
    Boris.

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